Pantheon: The Third Age - Rules and Comments Thread

[Menolly]

No

[Zephyr]

Makes sense to me. Why should my power be able to be used for anything but Forests and Nature? Did Apollo ever give power to Poseidon to make a tsunami?

[Menolly]

Sure, it makes sense.
But...no.

Did Apollo ever give power to Poseidon to make a tsunami?

*eyes widening*

Oh!

...never mind me...realization from a different conversation...

[stonemaybe]

Makes sense to me. Why should my power be able to be used for anything but Forests and Nature? Did Apollo ever give power to Poseidon to make a tsunami?

Who knows, maybe he did? The Greek legends aren't too specific on the deific rules and regulations! Also, although they certainly argued and had fallings out and alliances that affected mortals, they were all part of a single pantheon under one head honcho. So they all had fairly similar goals.

[Zephyr]

Well, there was talk of electing a ruler in P2. Anyway, I think it would be cool if my power was limited to my domains.

[Amplarx]

The way I've always seen it is that a god has power with which he can either directly affect the world, create a spell within his domain, or pass the power over to someone else.
The power we have isn't domain power, we can just choose to use it in our domain if we want to.

[Zephyr]

Yes, that's the way it is. I'm saying let's do it this other way. OK, it's just me who likes this, eh?

[Menolly]

Anyway, I think it would be cool if my power was limited to my domains.

So, for instance...

When Deva resurrected a prophet, he should have done that using his own DRP, instead of requesting the power from the supplicating deity?

Or...

When Calais helped uKulwa destroy Zendra, she should have supplied the power totally on her own, instead of having uKulwa reinforce her action? Or when she rose Halym for Sunset, she should have totally done such a thing on her own?

Or are you saying we should stop helping each other completely, unless we have the power available to do so on our own?

I think the concept is too limiting. But then, I don't like change...

[balon!]

Without sharing DRP, most alliances become a lot less useful.

On another note:

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them
down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

[Menolly]

Without sharing DRP, most alliances become a lot less useful.

Well...deities could still ally, if they are willing to use their own power to support someone and put their own plans on hold if they don't have enough DRP to do both actions.

And treasury and mortal followers could still be sent to help another, unless Fist is suggesting limiting that as well.

cho likes using Healing to help others when requested. Yet she doesn't have enough power of her own to do so for others most of the time. Not with the constant conflicts cho seems to face this Age.

As far as DRP usage goes, I like things as they are. I would prefer non-DRP blessings were brought back, but...I accept I abused them and accept the AllFather's ruling regarding that.

On another note:

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them
down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

g-ds, at times you are really wicked, Balon...

[Zephyr]

So, for instance...

When Deva resurrected a prophet, he should have done that using his own DRP, instead of requesting the power from the supplicating deity?

Or...

When Calais helped uKulwa destroy Zendra, she should have supplied the power totally on her own, instead of having uKulwa reinforce her action? Or when she rose Halym for Sunset, she should have totally done such a thing on her own?

Or are you saying we should stop helping each other completely, unless we have the power available to do so on our own?

I think the concept is too limiting. But then, I don't like change...

Yes, Deva and Calais would have used only their own power. The question would then be, Why would they do that? Trades of favors would become interesting and imaginative.

Without sharing DRP, most alliances become a lot less useful.

Maybe. But it would depend on how imaginatively we can trade favors.

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them
down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

[Menolly]

So, for instance...

When Deva resurrected a prophet, he should have done that using his own DRP, instead of requesting the power from the supplicating deity?

Or...

When Calais helped uKulwa destroy Zendra, she should have supplied the power totally on her own, instead of having uKulwa reinforce her action? Or when she rose Halym for Sunset, she should have totally done such a thing on her own?

Or are you saying we should stop helping each other completely, unless we have the power available to do so on our own?

I think the concept is too limiting. But then, I don't like change...

Yes, Deva and Calais would have used only their own power. The question would then be, Why would they do that? Trades of favors would become interesting and imaginative.

Without sharing DRP, most alliances become a lot less useful.

Maybe. But it would depend on how imaginatively we can trade favors.

A hypothetical example of these "favors" might be instructive.

[Zephyr]

How the hell should I know??? What would you ask of any given deity in exchange for you using your power to give someone night-vision? Maybe a promise from uKulwa to never attack you. Maybe you'd ask me to grow certain Trees for your followers.

[Menolly]

So, not only would the providing deity have to be willing to suspend their own plans to help another, but they would need to negotiate something for the receiving deity to pay them with. And the action would be limited to however many DRP the providing deity is willing to spend, perhaps limiting the effectiveness of the action.

I have no idea how many DRP it took for Calais to raise Halym for Sunset. But it is possible she did that action with more donated DRP from the Court than she personally had at the time. And because of that, I am thinking it was an action no one not involved in the planning of it saw coming. Do you want to limit grand actions like that? What if eventually there is a global problem, say an Abyssal War? What if one or two deities domains would be more effective against the attackers than anyone elses? Would you limit what they could do against it to their own power? Even if the rest of the Pantheon wanted to empower them?

Would Norn's sealing of the Chastus portal have been as effective if she was limited only to her personal DRP at the time?

If that's how you want to play, I see no reason for you to not limit your own interactions with others in that way. But I think having a wider selection of options is one of the most attractive parts of this game.

[Zephyr]

I have no idea how many DRP it took for Calais to raise Halym for Sunset. But it is possible she did that action with more donated DRP from the Court than she personally had at the time.

Yes, such big actions are why I like my idea. This early in the game, some can already destroy the world by borrowing power. My way, more planning and scheming would be needed. And yes, more time. Which, alas, is probably a big reason many would not go along with this idea. The game moves to slowly for some as it is.

If that's how you want to play, I see no reason for you to not limit your own interactions with others in that way.

Well, yeah, of course I can limit myself that way if I want. Of course, a more level playing field would be less suicidal. heh.

But I think having a wider selection of options is one of the most attractive parts of this game.

I don't think the options are more limited my way. They just take longer to achieve. But I like the image of, say, me going to a Forest that borders on a Sea, and asking Dagon for a favor. The negotiations would be fun. "And why, you termite-ridden plank, would I do such a thing for you?" "Perhaps, you Water-logged sot, because if you do, I'll..."

[Menolly]

This early in the game, some can already destroy the world by borrowing power.

...pheh...

Any of the deities, even a newly 1-DRP one, can do that without borrowing power, if they research Eiran's history if they don't know of it. The AllFather's limitations on the Pantheon has not changed in that regard, as far as I am aware.

And some of these grand actions are fascinating and creative. I definitely would not want to limit them.

[Zephyr]

Well, anyway, like I said, I don't expect the idea to get much support.

[Montresor]

Hey, let's kick this idea around. I think it would be very cool. Xar mentioned it when we were pming about an idea I have, but he wasn't suggesting it. I'm suggesting it. I think it would be good if we could all use our DRPs only within our domains. I mean, each of our DRPs could only be used by us for our own domains. No giving somebody DRPs for the turn.

Makes sense to me. Why should my power be able to be used for anything but Forests and Nature? Did Apollo ever give power to Poseidon to make a tsunami?

Fist, are you developing a split personality? You voted for your own motion

[Taiga Tzu]

I did no such thing!!!

But it is a good idea!

[Menolly]

*shakes head*

..how do you keep track of all of your alter egos...?