Pantheon: The Third Age - Rules and Comments Thread

[balon!]

I have no idea how many DRP it took for Calais to raise Halym for Sunset. But it is possible she did that action with more donated DRP from the Court than she personally had at the time.

Yes, such big actions are why I like my idea. This early in the game, some can already destroy the world by borrowing power. My way, more planning and scheming would be needed. And yes, more time. Which, alas, is probably a big reason many would not go along with this idea. The game moves to slowly for some as it is.

If that's how you want to play, I see no reason for you to not limit your own interactions with others in that way.

Well, yeah, of course I can limit myself that way if I want. Of course, a more level playing field would be less suicidal. heh.

But I think having a wider selection of options is one of the most attractive parts of this game.

I don't think the options are more limited my way. They just take longer to achieve. But I like the image of, say, me going to a Forest that borders on a Sea, and asking Dagon for a favor. The negotiations would be fun. "And why, you termite-ridden plank, would I do such a thing for you?" "Perhaps, you Water-logged sot, because if you do, I'll..."

...........that actually doesn't sound so bad. ......

[Menolly]

...........that actually doesn't sound so bad. ......

Balon! Try to resist his honeyed tongue!!

[Dorian]

Limiting your powers to yourself isnt hard. I already do it now

examples: Both of the attacks I have done on a large scale, the desert of Olvir and Port Largros would both seem to be joint power attacks yes? well no. In both cases it was me sending a blast of oblivion to the area, to obliterate life. Never once have i taken another deities DRP and combined it with my own. Combined yet still separate actions yes but otherwise no.

also, every time i use my DRP I try my hardest to find a way to explain it within my domain. I wont go into details but ive been successful so far.

and its far from suicidal

so if you want to fist, feel free to join me in this path of playing

[uKulwa]

When Calais helped uKulwa destroy Zendra, she should have supplied the power totally on her own, instead of having uKulwa reinforce her action?

uKulwa did not reinforce Calais' actions. He bought and paid for her use of his own power. Not one DRP of Calais was used. And when Calais suffered in the retaliation, he made good her loss as well.

P1. *sigh* Two turns a week. *sigh* That at least I miss. Not the excrutiatingly slow growth of power. And definitely not the sorry (out of game) conclusion.

The only drawback to the massive improvements of subsequent games is all you newbies clogging up Xar's processing time.

[stonemaybe]

Who you calling a newbie, old man?

Domain talk: perhaps a middle way would be to dramatically increase the effectiveness of using a DRP within your domain, or decrease the effectiveness of DRP outside (incl. giving to other players)?

[Anaya]

Such a rule concerning domains might spark creativity, or it might just squash it and drive everyone to select "physical" domains such as Earth or Nature, or domains seen commonly throughout many different cultures, such as War. Personally I like the way that many not-so-common domains are plaid, and that many common domains are played so uniquely, and I think your idea would sacrifice that Fist.

[Fist and Faith]

I'm not sure why the physical domains would become more popular, Luke. A god of Love could use a DRP one turn to increase the number of births - or at least the number of attempts at conception - among the god of Seas' followers in exchange for calmer seas during voyages that turn. Malice could increase or decrease Malice in people at their deity's request; or in a third deity's followers at the request of the 2nd deity. In exchange for, say, good Weather; a promise of War; Wisdom for his followers; a promise to never insist that Justice be pushed in his lands; etc.

[Menolly]

When Calais helped uKulwa destroy Zendra, she should have supplied the power totally on her own, instead of having uKulwa reinforce her action?

uKulwa did not reinforce Calais' actions. He bought and paid for her use of his own power. Not one DRP of Calais was used. And when Calais suffered in the retaliation, he made good her loss as well.

*nodding*

This is what I figured and I assume the same was done for Halym.
I worded what I said badly.
But this is my objection to Fist's idea, as I believe most use of having another help us is done in this manner, unless the deity that does the action also wishes to involve themselves personally in these attacks.

It's as uKulwa explained to Bel in game. Zendra was between uKulwa and cho, not the deities each paid power to for help. Although I will admit the deities who helped cho did donate power of their own occasionally, as they saw doing what they did to help probaby strengthened them. And I know one did have a very good turn, possibly partially as the result of their help, last turn.

Fist's change, and the way The Void participated in his two attacks, are different. It involves the deity wanting to get involved more in the conflict itself, for whatever reason. More so than possibly gaining strength for doing so. I agree with Luke, I think it would cause such actions to stagnate.

But my understanding is three deities were involved on the attack on Olvir, yet the description of the attack I saw only described two domains as being used, IIRC. Was one attack left out of the description? Or did the third deity send power to the two attacking deities so only those two domains were used?

[Dorian]

We didnt receive any extra power.

where did the idea of three gods in Olvir come from?

I cant remember if we asked TM to provide favorable weather conditions or not. I dont think we did

[Menolly]

We didnt receive any extra power.

where did the idea of three gods in Olvir come from?

I cant remember if we asked TM to provide favorable weather conditions or not. I dont think we did

From the description of the attack that I did see.
Three domains were listed as "bearing the touch" of the attack: Sun, Weather, and Oblivion.
But the only action listed as having an effect in the one description I saw was blistering heat. Other than being told Oblivion and Weather were involved, I saw no description of how those additional domains were used.

T-m was involved in the attack, and he readily admits it.
From things posted in the game thread, it almost sounds as if he relished in it.

But, I digress.
I do not know how the three listed domains combined to do that particular attack. From what I read, I assumed power was sent to the Sun to act alone. I am most likely mistaken. But I do not know.

[balon!]

It said the heat, because my drought and Etz's sunlight worked together.

[Menolly]

Thank you, Balon.
I was hoping you would clarify.

But...you yourself have said you are a declared enemy of Zephyr.
If someone asked for a similar action be done for them, but you don't really wish to declare yourself an enemy of the one your action is against, would you be willing to use your own DRP in an action against them in return for a "favor" from the requesting deity? Or does having the power sent to you work better in that instance?

I would love to know if Calais would have raised Halym with her own power, at the bequest of and in return for favors from, the Sunset Court. Would her power at the time had been enough, if she had devoted all of it to the action? Would she have even considered limiting her turn to just that one action, in return for favors?

Obviously, I like the system as is.
I'm just trying to figure out what benefit changing it would have.
I like the grand actions that occur when deities donate power to each other. Even when they cause trouble for cho in the end, such as the earthquake in Zendra. They're still creative and keep me scrambling.
And I am terrible at negotiation.

So for cho at least, I see no benefit for a change.

[Arcadia]

Folks, I don't mean to be a killjoy about this conversation but I kind of do not like my moves discussed and picked apart openly in this thread by other players.

If you want to discuss strategy/alliances/borrowing drp/etc., please talk about your own characters - not others. Two of my past moves have been discussed openly in this thread and how I acquired the drp to do them.

No offense, guys, but that is no one's business.

Menolly wrote:

I would love to know if Calais would have raised Halym with her own power, at the bequest of and in return for favors from, the Sunset Court. Would her power at the time had been enough, if she had devoted all of it to the action? Would she have even considered limiting her turn to just that one action, in return for favors?

That is none of your business, dear.

[Menolly]

Sorry, Calais.

I really am just trying to determine how changing domain use would affect the game, and you did some of the grandest actions so far, and very effectively.

As far as Halym goes, I thought since you posted ~IC~ about negotiating with the Sunset Court to do the action in the game thread in response to Deva, that it would be open for discussion. I truly am still learning game ettiquette. I apologize.

Do you have general input on Zephyr's idea?

[Arcadia]

No, I have no input on discussions about my moves.

Just because I posted in character does not mean that my moves are up for public analysis out of character - i.e., trying to figure out how I did certain things and who or if I have alliances, owe favors, etc. I can do nothing about what is discussed in private but this out of character discussion almost seemed as if you were fishing for more information outside your network of informants. It blurred the lines of IC and OOC for me and I would prefer it stopped. This discussion about Haylm would have been better used in the game thread, IC, where I began it.

However, in the future, if you want to discuss drp or domain usage, I would appreciate it if you restrict it to your own drp and domains. I will tell you anything you want to know - AFTER the game is over.


Thank you.

[Menolly]

Yes'm.
'twas not my intent to gain more information, as I was using it as an example of how sending power to others is used for grand actions, and I really am curious if such a restriction on domain use was in place if it would have influenced your actions, but...

Again, I do apologize

As for my own DRP and domains, so far this game I have no idea how I would do anything grand myself. But, again, that is why I like being able to send DRP to others.

[lucimay]

i just want to know why you're so all concerned with Halym, Menolly.

it DOES sort of make it look like you're fishing for information. or are you just using Halym as an example for the questions you're asking? if that's the case, i think calais is right, you should probably use examples that are either from your own turns or better yet, hypothetical.

in context of the discussion, gods are no different than regular people in my estimation. their power is confined to their own domaiin and they use that power anyway they wish to. when two or more gods find that they have common interests they use their power together to effect whatever actions they desire. they do favors for each other and work together to form what are commonly referred to as alliances.
alliances are simply that, people (or gods) who are on friendly terms
with one another.
a god may have many alliances but never ask another god to help him or her to DO anything.
so...whats the discussion about?

[Dorian]

Yeah, Ill also admit to wondering if you were fishing about Halym with the last few posts before calias brought it up menolly. Questions seemed a bit to heavily weighted in that direction

And yeah, now that I remember TM was involved at Olvir, but again, no drp shared. Just clever mixing of effects of domains. But mentioned Zeph in relation to Olvir is pointless. Despite what he has said in game about its effects on him, he was not the intended target of the predominantly defensive attack. The desert was meant to cover a 100 mile radius around the city and it just turned out that he had forests within that area.

anyway, ive said to much as it is. i just wanted to show that its quite possible for Zeph to do what he is saying under the current rules and not get hammered for it

[Menolly]

I like sending power to others in order to have them do things for cho. My own attempts at such have not been grand. Not in a way that would stress my point.

Halym, and Zendra, were the two examples I chose to demonstrate how that was done to effective use on a grand scale.

They both happened to be by the same deity.

I was trying to show effective examples of empowering another by sending DRP. I made assumptions in my initial statement regarding Zendra, and proceeded from there. To counter Zephyr's suggestion to limit us only to spending DRP in our own domains. But, I have been asked to stop. So...done.

[Zephyr]

Well, Pam's attempts to get people to reveal strategies and methods aside... The reason I started all this is that I wanted to make something, but Xar warned me that anybody else would be able to use it. Under the current system, yeah. DRPs are DRPs. But I can't help thinking that a Forest item made by the God of Forests shouldn't be usable by others.