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The 7 Wards of Kevin Landwaster

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Just curious, and I suppose this has been covered before....!

Kevin created 7 Wards for the survivors of the Ritual of Desecration to begin anew.

We know the Giants had the first, the second was discovered in Revelstone after TC activated the krill, apparently in the second chronicles it mentioned the 3rd was found, and we all know what the 7th was :wink: !!

So why weren't the 4th, 5th & 6th were found. Even after 3000 years` between 1st & 2nd chronicles, you would have thought that some one in the Land would have stumbled across one! Think of the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in a cave after a 1000 years....

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About the time that the 3rd Ward was discovered, the New Lords became the Clave and named their leader the na-Mhoram. No further searching for Kevin's Lore occurred. The Clave focused on the advent of the Sunbane, starting the Banefire, and slaughtering the people of the Land. The people themselves were consumed with simple survival and had no time for roaming about.
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Seeker of Truth wrote:Just curious, and I suppose this has been covered before....!

Kevin created 7 Wards for the survivors of the Ritual of Desecration to begin anew.

We know the Giants had the first, the second was discovered in Revelstone after TC activated the krill, apparently in the second chronicles it mentioned the 3rd was found, and we all know what the 7th was :wink: !!

So why weren't the 4th, 5th & 6th were found. Even after 3000 years` between 1st & 2nd chronicles, you would have thought that some one in the Land would have stumbled across one! Think of the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in a cave after a 1000 years....

any ideas?
im not sure..but when Covenant and Vain broke into the chamber containing the lands past it said there were three chests on the back wall containing the first three wards..and it said there were several other glowing items on the Tables....4th 5th & 6th? it only mentions the 1st 2nd & 3rd though..and 7th, I thought the Krill was one of the seven wards also but im not positive about that.
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The krill is not one of the 7 but it's awakening triggered Amok who was indeed the 7th Ward. During Covenant's Soothtell in TWL, we learned specifically that only the 3rd Ward was discovered.
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when Covenant and Vain broke into the chamber containing the lands past it said there were three chests on the back wall containing the first three wards..and it said there were several other glowing items on the Tables....4th 5th & 6th?
Good point, Blackhawk. Perhaps the Wards were found, but the Clave just stuck them in storage. (Reminds me of the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark. :) )
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Well, maybe so. SRD certainly isn't above such retconning.
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We know nothing about the nature of those missing wards - just like Amok, they may be something entirely un-ward-like...
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I always assumed the 'other glowing objects' were (especially because they weren't in chests) things like orcrest, the krill, other power objects, etc.

I think it's safe to assume the other 3 were never found because they were never mentioned. Donaldson never needed them for his story, therefore he never included them. In the same way, IIRC we know nothing about the content of the 3rd, except that apparently it was found.

I'd surmise though that whatever was in the 6th must've included knowledge of how to unlock the krill, and/or what to do with it, since that knowledge was what summoned Amok, the 7th.
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Relayer wrote: I'd surmise though that whatever was in the 6th must've included knowledge of how to unlock the krill, and/or what to do with it, since that knowledge was what summoned Amok, the 7th.
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just a quick note....the 7th Ward was not actually Amok, it was the blood of the earth. Amok mearly led the way to it.

"Kevin-born Amok!" she exclaimed through the hum. "Way and door to the Seventh Ward! By the power of the Staff of Law -- in the name of High Lord Kevin son of Loric who made you -- I adjure you. Tell me the name of the Seventh Ward's power!"

an exerpt I could find on the subject.

I remember there being some discussion on the fact that they shouldnt use the 7th untill the other 6 had been mastered, however elena was in a bit of a hurry...
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Amok was the 7th Ward and he said so himself. Wards were created by Kevin to preserve and teach knowledge and lore. The Blood of the Earth had been there under MS for eons. Thus, "Kevin-born Amok" was indeed the 7th Ward.
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well I suppose it is a point of view thing. He actually did say he was the seventh ward, however he also said he was the way and the door to the power of the seventh ward....which was the blood of the earth. Ill let it rest and say that they are both required parts of the 7th ward. without one there wouldnt be the other....

though I guess without Amok, you might still stumble on the blood of the earth, it happened once.....:)
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Damelon did it, but he was probably guided by his Old Lords edition (and assumedly finer-tuned) health-sense.

As has already been said, the search for the remaining Wards was abandoned as the New Lords slowly morphed into the Clave. Also, I remember it was mentioned that the New Lords struck out in novel lore directions as well. Of course, some of that new direction apparently included learning how to use blood to feed the SunBane... :(

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Yes, Amok seemed to claim to be both the Ward and the Way to the Ward.

But if you think about it, the Wards were the lore of the Old Lords. It was not their power, but their learning, which can be used to acheive their power. So the Wards are not a power, they are a Way to the power.

Also, because of the way that the Wards were set up, each Ward unlocking the way to the next Ward, you can say that a Ward is also a Door to the next Ward.

So when Amok says he is a Ward, that is the same as saying he is a Way and a Door. It's not really a contradiction at all.
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When Lord Amatin spoke again, she emphasized her words intently. "Amok, what are you?"

Without hesitation, Amok replied, "I am the Seventh Ward of High Lord Kevin's Lore."
When Asuraka returned to Amok, she said tentatively, "Amok, the other Wards teach knowledge concerning power. Are you the power of the Seventh Ward?"
"I am the way and the door."
"Do you bear the power itself within you?" she insisted.
For a moment, Amok appeared to study the legitimacy of this question. Then he said simply, "No."
"Are you a teacher?"
"I am the way and-"Suddenly Lord Amatin grasped a new idea, and interrupted Amok. "You are a guide."

"Yes."
"You were created to teach us the location of some knowledge or power?"
"Ah, that may be as it happens. Much is taught, but few learn."
"Where is this power?"
"Where all such powers should be-hidden."
It would appear that the seventh ward is Amok but the power of command was being guarded by Amok.....so it was actually Damelon who made the door to guard the Power but Kevin knew of it but didnt put knowledge of it in his wards..instead he made Amok and never used him..though he knew how to get to it.

about the way door and ward Amok said
"Behold Damelon's Door-entryway to the Power of Command. For this reason among others, none may approach the Power in my absence. The knowledge of this unlocking is contained in none of High Lord Kevin's Wards. And any who dare Damelon's Door without this unlocking will not find the Power. They will wander forever torn and pathless in the wilderness beyond.

so the remaining wards could be Locks like Amok leading to other powers or knowledge even, because knowledge is power.

I was curious ..what were the first two wards. I cant find anything other than Atiaran used a hint of power she had found in the second ward to summon Troy/Covenant. and for the first ward it just says when the giant presented the new lords with the first ward they were frightened it would bring about another Desecration and had spoke the oath of peace to master it and avoid another desecration.

I wonder if we will find out what the wards were in the Future.?
wayfriend wrote:Yes, Amok seemed to claim to be both the Ward and the Way to the Ward.

But if you think about it, the Wards were the lore of the Old Lords. It was not their power, but their learning, which can be used to acheive their power. So the Wards are not a power, they are a Way to the power.

Also, because of the way that the Wards were set up, each Ward unlocking the way to the next Ward, you can say that a Ward is also a Door to the next Ward.

So when Amok says he is a Ward, that is the same as saying he is a Way and a Door. It's not really a contradiction at all.

that sounds about as close and true as were going to get until SRD decides to let us in on it. :)
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Post by DukkhaWaynhim »

I doubt the Wards will play a large role in the remaining books, unless it is an 'incidental history' lesson, meaning SRD has literary purpose in telling us what they were because he is making a point of stitching it into the theme of Last Chronicles - which I am broadly painting as "How much [power? destruction?] are you willing to risk for what you love?"

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The First Ward was given to the New Lords by the Giants after their return to the Land post-RoD. The Second Ward was discovered under Mt. Thunder in LFB. We don't know specific; one would assume the First Ward was basic knowledge only, but we were told the Second Ward had a great deal of knowledge regarding healing of the earth, etc. For example, the New Lords were able to grow Revelwood after studying the Second Ward.
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Remember that the New Lords' learnings from the Wards were fundamentally constrained by the Oath of Peace - so the second Ward might also have contained the knowledge to destroy and/or warp wood and stone to unFriendly purposes, if it were their inclination.

Trell, who was not a Lord, was able to approximate a RoD without using any Lord's Lore at all - all he needed was his stone lore, endless anguish/anger, and a rejection of the Oath.

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The First two were basically what, trucks full of scrolls and stuff?

Possibly that's what the third was too....but there's no garanttee that the fourth fifth and sixth were like that.

One of them could be the mastery of the Staff of Law;
Some of them could have part of the Land itself (much like the Seventh Ward)

For example, the Thrid Ward, may have been a chest of scrolls and stuff, and when mastered, it could have lead to a knowledge of how to master the Earthpower in Glimmermere..and therefore Glimmermere itself could have been the Fifth ward, and then they'd have to pass the practical exam of actually using Glimmermere..or somethings like that.
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The remaining books, and I can't say much here, will prove to be quite interesting in revealing what's being debated in this thread. It's my personal opinion that the 8th ward is the power within, and Mhoram and Trell discovered it already. But that's just me. What else could be beyond that kind of power?
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