There are some fundimentals of Christianity that I DON'T beleive in...the largest being that I don't beleive in God the Father...or at least I don't beleive that we are made in the image of ANY diety.
I DO however beleive that Jesus walked the Earth, and was pretty much what he said he was (although I also beleive the same about Budha and Mohammud)
Chrysalis wrote:... I was brought up Christian and went to a RC school.
*would like to see some pics of Chrys in a catholic scool uniform!!*
I thought you were a ripe grape
a cabernet sauvignon
a bottle in the cellar
the kind you keep for a really long time
Reformed Christian. X-agnostic. Full-fledged atheist now . . . though I still think something "magical" is going on in this universe, something that inspires religious belief in the first place. I think we might be god slowly forming. At the very least, we are the universe waking up to itself.
I use scare-quotes around "magical" because I do not believe in anything supernatural. I do, however, think that matter is a lot more strange and "mystical" than we presently believe. But even that strangeness will eventually be explicable in a scientific manner.
Joe Biden … putting the Dem in dementia since (at least) 2020.
I was torn...
I still observe the traditions of the Jewish holidays, but feel my leanings towards the teachings of Jewitchery were strong enough to mark it as "other." It is grounded in kabbalah though, so I could have gone either way I guess...
I selected other for reasons somewhat similar to Malik's, but not exactly. There is much not explainable now that will eventually be explained, but I have a suspicion that there are things that happen/can be done that are natural (not from god or ghosts or magic) yet non-rational. The best I've been able to explain this to myself is that they are possibilities/occurences that happen in the gaps. (like the gap between the quantum and general relativity..though this one will likely be solved) I'm a big fan of logic/reason, but I'm also hypersensitive to the fact that logic and reason have limits (a guy named Godel is on-point here..the o should have an umlaut (hah..which also should))
Anyway...when the topic comes up, I tell people I'm a mystic atheist...which makes them laugh, become irate, become confused, call me crazy, or start a conversation...all of which are acceptable outcomes.
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Jeff, I've posted quite a bit about Godel and the implications his famous theorem holds for consciousness. Last year I read Shadows of the Mind by Roger Penrose, in which he argued that our consciousness is non-algorithmic, and can't be produced or even simulated by a computer (at least not Turing machines . . . it will take some kind of computer that we haven't even imagined yet). Perhaps this "non-algorithmic" nature of consciousness is close to what you mean by "non-rational." That fact that we can understand Godel's Incompleteness theorem means we are doing something beyond axiomatic systems, something that no logical system can capture.
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Malik23 wrote:Jeff, I've posted quite a bit about Godel and the implications his famous theorem holds for consciousness.
I'm going to have to try and track those posts down.
Last year I read Shadows of the Mind by Roger Penrose...
I haven't followed Penrose in forever...I wonder how I forgot about him...is the book as interesting as you make it sound?
Perhaps this "non-algorithmic" nature of consciousness is close to what you mean by "non-rational."
It sounds like it could be from the snippet here. I think you just gave me a new book to put on my xmas list (my lists are always entirely made up of coffee and books)
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[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler] the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass. "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
Malik23 wrote:Jeff, I've posted quite a bit about Godel and the implications his famous theorem holds for consciousness.
I'm going to have to try and track those posts down.
I found one thread, here, but it seems like there is another one about artificial intelligence. I started with the 4th page, because the thread drifted into this territory on that page.
Joe Biden … putting the Dem in dementia since (at least) 2020.
I have Faith in the Unspeakable, the Unknowable, The Mystery, because I am able to speak and know.
If she withdrew from exaltation, she would be forced to think- And every thought led to fear and contradictions; to dilemmas for which she was unprepared.
pg4 TLD
I love it! Welcome aboard, Jeff!
