As I said, your "perfectly good solution" would be flat-out refused by Eztlicoatl. And he does not rule the world. There is not the slightest reason I should have to move my followers, move a Forest, or give up any claim over a Forest every time he decides he is now ruler of another territory.
As for destroying me... Well, I suppose they could. Perhaps they will now. I have, after all, said that I will oppose his claim to absolute rule of Cook's Woods.
But seriously, sister... Bhakti was your father as well as mine. And Nor Yekith was not only his adversary. He did not only, among other things, order our father to kneel and sacrifice his life, or I - a baby - would be murdered. He then attempted to back up those words by hiring the God of Assassins to kill me. (If it were not for the fact that Assassination need not equal Evil, I would not be here to defend the Trees for our father.) I'm not sure how I could have grown up not seeing him as my adversary as well. The question is: Why don't you? Is not attempting the life of your father and brother enough for you?
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How do you know? I have never known Ezticoatl to be anything but perfectly reasonable and has never broken his word.As I said, your "perfectly good solution" would be flat-out refused by Eztlicoatl.
He never said he did. Neither has anyone else. What's the problem?And he does not rule the world.
Now you are starting to sound like O-gon-cho. Are you sure you two aren't related?There is not the slightest reason I should have to move my followers, move a Forest, or give up any claim over a Forest every time he decides he is now ruler of another territory.
Hmmm, you oppose his claim to absolute rule of Cook's Woods but I notice you were very quiet when I went against O-gon-cho's absolute claim against her supposed breeding grounds and historical claim to Imray. You didn't back me up one bit.As for destroying me... Well, I suppose they could. Perhaps they will now. I have, after all, said that I will oppose his claim to absolute rule of Cook's Woods.
Yes, and I would have expected you both to act with more dignity.But seriously, sister... Bhakti was your father as well as mine.
That says a great deal about father - and not so favorably.And Nor Yekith was not only his adversary.
And yet, mother would have gladly sacrificed her life for her children. Daddy was not so brave.He did not only, among other things, order our father to kneel and sacrifice his life, or I - a baby - would be murdered.
Well, if you want a job done, hire the expert.He then attempted to back up those words by hiring the God of Assassins to kill me. (If it were not for the fact that Assassination need not equal Evil, I would not be here to defend the Trees for our father.)
So, you expect me to fight your battles for you? I had not thought you so craven. But, you are your father's son.....I'm not sure how I could have grown up not seeing him as my adversary as well. The question is: Why don't you? Is not attempting the life of your father and brother enough for you?
But again, how could I - the goddess of Death - be opposed to the assasination of anyone? Its death we are talking about, after all, and it would do nothing but empower me.
Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. There is no fear in love; for perfect love cast out fear.
He absolutely forbids any of us from using our power in his lands. Do you suppose I can move a Forest without using my power??Calais wrote:How do you know? I have never known Ezticoatl to be anything but perfectly reasonable and has never broken his word.As I said, your "perfectly good solution" would be flat-out refused by Eztlicoatl.
I don't remember the specifics of your argument with her. (Frankly, it's difficult to listen to either of you for very long. Much less both.Calais wrote:Hmmm, you oppose his claim to absolute rule of Cook's Woods but I notice you were very quiet when I went against O-gon-cho's absolute claim against her supposed breeding grounds and historical claim to Imray. You didn't back me up one bit.As for destroying me... Well, I suppose they could. Perhaps they will now. I have, after all, said that I will oppose his claim to absolute rule of Cook's Woods.
) However, it is entirely within reason for each of us to have a base of operations. A home territory. I have one. O-gon-cho deserves one. And Eztlicoatl deserves one, which is why I have not fought him over Malyth's Jungles, or, beyond what he and I have already told all of you about, used power or so much as looked there.You are saying that opposing the designs of one who intends to force his horrifying dreams upon the entire world does not say favorable things about our father?Calais wrote:That says a great deal about father - and not so favorably.And Nor Yekith was not only his adversary.
So it is courage to die for your child's life, knowing that that life will become a horror after you are no longer there to prevent it. What a fine mother you will make. (Of course, with your sparkling personality... Well, let's just say I don't see the guys lined up around the block waiting for you.)Calais wrote:And yet, mother would have gladly sacrificed her life for her children. Daddy was not so brave.He did not only, among other things, order our father to kneel and sacrifice his life, or I - a baby - would be murdered.
Your cavalier attitude regarding infanticide is... appaling.Calais wrote:Well, if you want a job done, hire the expert.He then attempted to back up those words by hiring the God of Assassins to kill me. (If it were not for the fact that Assassination need not equal Evil, I would not be here to defend the Trees for our father.)
I don't expect you to fight my battles. I simply didn't expect you to be so eager to take the side of the one who wanted our father and me dead.Calais wrote:So, you expect me to fight your battles for you? I had not thought you so craven. But, you are your father's son.....I'm not sure how I could have grown up not seeing him as my adversary as well. The question is: Why don't you? Is not attempting the life of your father and brother enough for you?
I cannot imagine what happened to you that you would be so anxious to see your brother dead just so you would gain strength.Calais wrote:But again, how could I - the goddess of Death - be opposed to the assasination of anyone? Its death we are talking about, after all, and it would do nothing but empower me.
Mox? You are very newly returned to Eiran, but is my sister's mind somehow your doing???
I'm saying you give up negotiations too easily.He absolutely forbids any of us from using our power in his lands. Do you suppose I can move a Forest without using my power??
Deserve? Why deserving? Are they just as deserving of a home base if it happens to be in your home base, as on Imray? What if Nor Yekith decided to make his home base on Shaldir? According to you, he deserves to be there without opposition.I don't remember the specifics of your argument with her. (Frankly, it's difficult to listen to either of you for very long. Much less both. ) However, it is entirely within reason for each of us to have a base of operations. A home territory. I have one. O-gon-cho deserves one. And Eztlicoatl deserves one, which is why I have not fought him over Malyth's Jungles, or, beyond what he and I have already told all of you about, used power or so much as looked there.
You said that Nor Yekith was not Bhakti's only adversary. If our father had more, then he was not a very popular diety.You are saying that opposing the designs of one who intends to force his horrifying dreams upon the entire world does not say favorable things about our father?
Your attempt at insults falls short. My followers love and devotion is enough for me and a goddess does not need a consort to be complete.So it is courage to die for your child's life, knowing that that life will become a horror after you are no longer there to prevent it. What a fine mother you will make. (Of course, with your sparkling personality... Well, let's just say I don't see the guys lined up around the block waiting for you.)
My attitude toward death is appalling????? Hmmmm. Strange to think that the goddess of Death would have any other opinion of death than to welcome it......Your cavalier attitude regarding infanticide is... appaling.
Why not? It is well known that I am a member of the Eclipse Alliance. I thought I had made clear my allies.I don't expect you to fight my battles. I simply didn't expect you to be so eager to take the side of the one who wanted our father and me dead.
You misunderstand, Zephyr. Death has no favorites. It simply is. There is no bias in death. It is necessary and uncompromising and visits all creatures and gods at some point. I have no more desire for your death than any other god or creature on Eiran. I do not wish for one being to die more than another. I am non-judgemental on that point.I cannot imagine what happened to you that you would be so anxious to see your brother dead just so you would gain strength.
I see all death as equally desirable and equally necessary. Your death would please me. Nor Yekith's death would please me. It is a part of my existence.
I am death.
Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. There is no fear in love; for perfect love cast out fear.
I have never heard of Eztlicoatl negotiating. He certainly never has with me. His mind is absolute. For whatever his reasons, he did not have a problem with me trying to get that Tree Elder out of Malyth, as long as it was done quietly and in a precise way. (A shame it never came about. I assume the Elder was killed along the way. I do not assume it was killed by him or one of his followers.) However, the current matter is far different. Various suggestions have been made. He has refused them all.Calais wrote:I'm saying you give up negotiations too easily.He absolutely forbids any of us from using our power in his lands. Do you suppose I can move a Forest without using my power??
As I said, I don't remember everything that was said between you two. I do not care to get overly involved in it. Yes, when the Interdiction ended, we all deserved a place. For what reason would we deny anyone a place of their own as we began this Age? But I did not say any of us necessarily deserve a home base in any particular place. She could as easily have chosen elsewhere. I could have. Eztlicoatl could have. O-gon-cho chose a place that is at odds with you and uKulwa. I know that at least some suggestions were made, and all parties refused them all. Neither Eztlicoatl nor I chose places that anyone else had any issue with, so there have been no difficulties.Calais wrote:Deserve? Why deserving? Are they just as deserving of a home base if it happens to be in your home base, as on Imray? What if Nor Yekith decided to make his home base on Shaldir? According to you, he deserves to be there without opposition.I don't remember the specifics of your argument with her. (Frankly, it's difficult to listen to either of you for very long. Much less both. ) However, it is entirely within reason for each of us to have a base of operations. A home territory. I have one. O-gon-cho deserves one. And Eztlicoatl deserves one, which is why I have not fought him over Malyth's Jungles, or, beyond what he and I have already told all of you about, used power or so much as looked there.
But that's not the issue that faces he and I now.
Mother and father would be so proud.Calais wrote:Why not? It is well known that I am a member of the Eclipse Alliance. I thought I had made clear my allies.I don't expect you to fight my battles. I simply didn't expect you to be so eager to take the side of the one who wanted our father and me dead.
You misunderstand, Zephyr. Death has no favorites. It simply is. There is no bias in death. It is necessary and uncompromising and visits all creatures and gods at some point. I have no more desire for your death than any other god or creature on Eiran. I do not wish for one being to die more than another. I am non-judgemental on that point.I cannot imagine what happened to you that you would be so anxious to see your brother dead just so you would gain strength.
I see all death as equally desirable and equally necessary. Your death would please me. Nor Yekith's death would please me. It is a part of my existence.
I am death.
(Anybody else here have a sister? Perhaps we could start a support group.)
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Actually, that is not true. The truth of the matter, and I will swear an Oath on this, is that I approached the god of assassins as I did not trust him; I was expecting that he or someone else would deliver my plan to your father. I guess he was like O-gon-cho - when you tell him something you are certain that the 'secret' will be spread around.Zephyr wrote:But seriously, sister... Bhakti was your father as well as mine. And Nor Yekith was not only his adversary. He did not only, among other things, order our father to kneel and sacrifice his life, or I - a baby - would be murdered. He then attempted to back up those words by hiring the God of Assassins to kill me. (If it were not for the fact that Assassination need not equal Evil, I would not be here to defend the Trees for our father.) I'm not sure how I could have grown up not seeing him as my adversary as well. The question is: Why don't you? Is not attempting the life of your father and brother enough for you?
However, I did want your father to bow before me in the other age. Fortunately, I do not require you or your father now.
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Squibble squabble family at each others throat
Dribble draubble love no longer like a coat
Hibbilty pibbilty entertainment is abound
scribbilty dibbilty even when Mox is not around
Ah, Mox, you and I shall be good friends! Zephyr, surely Mother and Father would indeed be proud of me. I am true to my nature. You, on the other hand, condemn that which you do not understand. How can I be anything other than what I am?
The Earth is eternal and yet in a constant state of change. It destroys the old and renews it to be fruitful and beautiful. It is violent and deadly and yet peaceful and solid. Death - like the Earth - is a portal for regeneration. Death also destroys to make the decaying bring fruit to the living. It also discards the old and leaves perfection. It, too, is violent but a fact that cannot be avoided. As the Earth, I long for the transformation of old into new. As Death, I hunger to devour the souls of those who come to me.
Perhaps you are in need for such a transformation.
Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. There is no fear in love; for perfect love cast out fear.
You can swear that Oath, but there is no possible way for even the Allfather to verify its truth. And your ability to swear oaths that stick to the letter of the oath while violating its spirit is legendary. All we know are the events:Nor Yekith wrote:Actually, that is not true. The truth of the matter, and I will swear an Oath on this, is that I approached the god of assassins as I did not trust him; I was expecting that he or someone else would deliver my plan to your father. I guess he was like O-gon-cho - when you tell him something you are certain that the 'secret' will be spread around.
-Your letter to my father.
-Your communication with Vadhaka.
But what a strange thing! We are talking about an act of great Malice, despite my sister's attitude. Yet you attempt to convince us that you did not attempt it. Do you not want us to believe you are Malicious?? Do you not want to be my enemy?? Seriously, what is your motivation for trying to hide this bit of Malice?
And, in the future, you might consider a different approach. Your letter to my father cannot be denied. However, you could have easily said you never approached Vadhaka. None could verify that. It would have been your word against his. Just trying to help.
Calais, are there not enough Deaths without going out of your way to bring about those that cause the most grief? That is what infanticide does. Enough children die accidentally without the need to murder them. Yes, just my opinion.
I imagine you will get your wish soon enough, as I will not back down on the issue of Cook's Woods or Eiran's Forests in general. If it happens, I hope the wine you drink in celebration of my Death is bitter.Calais wrote:Perhaps you are in need for such a transformation.
No, Zephyr. Again, you misunderstand and judge death to be an evil thing. Death is not evil. Death is not an end, only another beginning - a transformation like the worm into the chrysalis.Calais, are there not enough Deaths without going out of your way to bring about those that cause the most grief? That is what infanticide does. Enough children die accidentally without the need to murder them. Yes, just my opinion.
I imagine you will get your wish soon enough, as I will not back down on the issue of Cook's Woods or Eiran's Forests in general. If it happens, I hope the wine you drink in celebration of my Death is bitter.Calais wrote:
Perhaps you are in need for such a transformation.
Those children who die are brought to a warm, safe place where they will feel no pain, no hunger, no sorrow. They are at peace and as their new mother, I protect them.
But you should know this. Only the shell dies. Isn't that right, Unzen. Are you not the god of souls?
Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. There is no fear in love; for perfect love cast out fear.
Mox, only the best dieties are invited to *my* parties so of course, you are invited!Oh! OH!!! I love parties!! Please, oh please tell me that I am invited!!
Perhaps we can play Pin the Tail on Zeph.
Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. There is no fear in love; for perfect love cast out fear.
A season for your discontent, Brother Devaguhya...what path would you offer to breathe life back into the world?
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