So why is she questioning whether or not she is the rightful wielder, and even entertaining the thought that it might be Roger instead of her? Did I miss something?
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I need to know where you read about Linden questioning her ownership of the ring. The only question I know of is a legal one. Once Roger turned 21 he inherited his father's estate by default since his mother is legally incompetent. That estate may include his father's wedding ring. But Linden has already argued at the beginning of Runes that the ring "fell" to her before he died, making her its legal possessor.deer of the dawn wrote:I don't own a copy of the 2nd chrons, but I swear I recall that after Covenant surrendered to/defeated Foul, he says to Linden, "Now it's your turn. Pick up the ring." Seems like "ceding" to me.
So why is she questioning whether or not she is the rightful wielder, and even entertaining the thought that it might be Roger instead of her? Did I miss something?
Linden was in possession of the ring when she left the Land.AjK wrote:... but in WGW didn't Linden return to our world from the Land not in possession (pardon the expression) of TC's ring? That is consistent (as usual) with the fact that the circumstances of a person's coming to and returning from the Land are the same.
My two scents (and neither one is pleasantwayfriend wrote:if Covenant gave his ring to Foul, isn't it Foul's ring? Can he take it back and give it to Linden?
Thanks, wayfriend. Chalk up another one to hazy memory. Out of interest I will look harder for the other threads this weekend. Although off the cuff I have a hard time with the unconscious groping angle. Thanks again...wayfriend wrote:Linden was in possession of the ring when she left the Land.
When she awoke again in the "real world", the ring was in her hand.
Miracle? Magic? Inconsistency? Explained away by unconscious groping? That's been debated in other threads.
This question was brought up on the GI. The GI can be difficult to search, so I'll risk my poor memory of SRD's answer and say that according to him Linden took the ring from TC's finger after she translated back to the "real" world. I also recall him stating that he thought it was always understood that she took it at that time.AjK wrote:I can't comment on her questioning the ownership (her versus Roger), but I can say that my distinct impression was that TC gave her the ring in the Land.
However, that just made me think of something. I don't mean to side track DotD's nice thread here but I am confused. I will have to check the book when I get home tonight, but in WGW didn't Linden return to our world from the Land not in possession (pardon the expression) of TC's ring? That is consistent (as usual) with the fact that the circumstances of a person's coming to and returning from the Land are the same. TC always shaves, gets equivalent injuries, et cetera just prior to going back to the "real" world. But in this case Linden had the ring upon leaving the Land which is not consistent with how she went in. Has this been discussed and have I missed something? Does this in turn say something about its ownership? Or maybe I am just having a Friday...
Smelling that, I would have to respond by saying the whole point of the first six books was for Foul to gain nothing less than a transfer of ownership. Foul manipulated events until Covenant gave him the ring; he could have stolen it in any number of ways. Foul predicted, "Of your own volition you will give the white gold into my hand," and it came to pass just so.AjK wrote:My two scents (and neither one is pleasantwayfriend wrote:if Covenant gave his ring to Foul, isn't it Foul's ring? Can he take it back and give it to Linden?) is that TC didn't give the ring to LF in the sense of transferring ownership (although that was certainly LF desire.)
Always. Check out this quote from Runes.TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:SRD always gives away the store.
And here's some quotes from TIW, *before* anyone reached Skyweir and got Bannor to spill the beans.In [u]The Runes of the Earth[/u] was wrote:Hurtloam would restore them, of course. Or the Staff of Law. In this time and place, she might as well have asked for Covenant's resurrection.
Ain't that interesting? Little nuggets of gold, scattered about, unnoticed by mere mortal readers.In [u]The Illearth War[/u] was wrote:"Come on," Troy said. His tone was full of the power of command. "The Lords are doing something you ought to see."
She recognized the potential value of his tactical skill, put faith in it; she gave his voice the power of command.
The ponderous movement of Lord Foul's hordes continued as before, and at the sight he felt a resurgence of panic. But he held onto his power of command, gripped it to keep his shame at bay.