A scene you are NOT looking foward to

[aTOMiC]

While considering the feature film for the Chrons it occurred to me that there are scenes, which though they are integral to the framework of the story, are none the less unpleasant to imagine watching, especially with graphic accuracy.

There are a number of moments which I would find hard to watch (foremost is the most obvious...the rape of Lena) but there are others that also make me cringe.

The second hardest scene for me to watch would be the genocide of the Giants. The whole process turns my stomach just reading the thing. I can't imagine the carnage displayed in the aftermath along with a real time demonstration of the Illearth Stone's effects on a living Giant's skull. Though there are some that I know who will look forward to this scene with keen interest I am not one of them, however I need to see it just as I need to see everything else that comprises the story in it's entirety.

[sweetbread]

While considering the feature film for the Chrons it occurred to me that there are scenes, which though they are integral to the framework of the story, are none the less unpleasant to imagine watching, especially with graphic accuracy.

There are a number of moments which I would find hard to watch (foremost is the most obvious...the rape of Lena) but there are others that also make me cringe.

The second hardest scene for me to watch would be the genocide of the Giants. The whole process turns my stomach just reading the thing. I can't imagine the carnage displayed in the aftermath along with a real time demonstration of the Illearth Stone's effects on a living Giant's skull. Though there are some that I know who will look forward to this scene with keen interest I am not one of them, however I need to see it just as I need to see everything else that comprises the story in it's entirety.

I dunno, depending on who plays Lena, I think that they could pull it off in a fairly erotic sense. Remember, that Lena wasn't necessarily raped against her will IIRC; the fact that Covenant didn't ask doesn't necessarily mean that it was totally unwanted. Now, mind you, I would have to read that book again to be sure, but I don't remember Lena once telling Covenant to stop. This rings as more of a sex-scene than an all-out violation IMO, and, like I said, depending on who plays Lena, this could be a scene that's pulled off very well.

I think the most "tear-jerker" moments throughout both of the series are the "sacrifices" of the Giants, first Foamfollower's sacrifice in the lava (which we later find out is a caamora) and then again in the second chronicles where the one giant (forget his name) sacrifices himself by plugging the hole in the ship with his own body. Both of those scenes would be hard to watch...

[wayfriend]

Remember, that Lena wasn't necessarily raped against her will IIRC;

That definitely needs to be picked up in a more appropriate thread than the movie discussion. (I cannot imagine how anyone could walk away with that impression, and I think it's worth exploring.)

[High Lord Tolkien]

Wow, sweetbread!
Goodthing you said you weren't positive about that.

Here it is for you.
On film though this could be done, still convey the horror of what he did and still be PG-13

Lena flared with sudden courage. "I do not believe it. It may be that your world-but the Land-ah, the Land is real."
Covenant's back clenched abruptly still, and he said with preternatural quietness, "Are you trying to drive me crazy?"
His ominous tone startled her, chilled her. For an instant, her courage stumbled; she felt the river and the ravine closing around her like the jaws of a trap. Then Covenant whirled and struck her a stinging slap across the face.
The force of the blow sent her staggering back into the light of the graveling. He followed quickly, his face contorted in a wild grin. As she caught her balance, got one last, clear, terrified look at him, she felt sure that he meant to kill her. The thought paralyzed her. She stood dumb and helpless while he approached.
Reaching her, he knotted his hands in the front of her shift and rent the fabric like a veil. She could not move. For an instant, he stared at her, at her high, perfect breasts and her short slip, with grim triumph in his eyes, as though he had just exposed some foul plot. Then he gripped her shoulder with his left hand and tore away her slip with his right, forcing her down to the sand as he uncovered her.
Now she wanted to resist, but her limbs would not move; she was helpless with anguish.
A moment later, he dropped the burden of his weight on her chest, and her loins were stabbed with a wild, white fire that broke her silence, made her scream. But even as she cried out she knew that it was too late for her. Something that her people thought of as a gift had been torn from her.
But Covenant did not feel like a taker. His climax flooded him as if he had fallen into a Mithil of molten fury. Suffocating in passion, he almost swooned. Then time seemed to pass him by, and he lay still for moments that might have been hours for all he knew -hours during which his world could have crumbled, unheeded.
At last he remembered the softness of Lena's body under him, felt the low shake of her sobbing. With an effort, he heaved himself up and to his feet. When he looked down at her in the graveling light, he saw the blood on her loins. Abruptly, his head became giddy, unbalanced, as though he were peering over a precipice. He turned and hurried with a shambling, unsteady gait toward the river, pitched himself fiat on the rock, and vomited the weight of his guts into the water. And the Mithil erased his vomit as cleanly as if nothing had happened.

[sweetbread]

WOW!!! That is definitely different that I remember!

I certainly find the reference to "white fire" interesting.....









....and I need to read those books again....

[wayfriend]

FYI, you might find this thread interesting: kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=283

[matrixman]

I'd say almost all of The Power That Preserves would be hard to watch, if all the scenes of misery and pain in that book were to be shown on screen...which would be just about every page. All right, I exaggerate, but not by much, I don't think.

[Rigel]

Come on, you can't seriously say that you wouldn't watch Lord Mhoram's Victory, or The Ritual of Desecration, can you?

Although I'm pretty certain I'll have to hide my eyes during The Healer, but there are plenty of potentially great scenes in there

[matrixman]

Come on, you can't seriously say that you wouldn't watch Lord Mhoram's Victory, or The Ritual of Desecration, can you?

No question I'd watch something as awesome Lord Mhoram's Victory.

Off the top of my head, the scenes from TPTP I'd most want to avert my eyes from would be Lena's cruel end and Foamfollower's traversal of Hotash Slay.

[wayfriend]

Although I'm pretty certain I'll have to hide my eyes during The Healer

Agree.

Ow.

[matrixman]

Hamako's immolation in WGW is another scene that would turn my stomach.

[Wyldewode]

Thinking about this topic makes me realize all over again how much pain is portayed throughout this series.

In particular, I couldn't bear to watch the demise of the Seareach giants.

[mubble]

I think you need a bit of pain in a movie if you are going to feel any empathy for the characters. I remember how awful it felt looking at Boromir dying in LOTR and I knew what to expect there! I would personally love to see how they would handle the manevolance of the raver giant and the terror of the giants as they were killed. God I sound like a sadist!!

[jacob Raver, sinTempter]

Did anyone else find Lena a bit pathetic in PTP? She didn't really have any arc or growth, development, etc...

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I dunno, depending on who plays Lena, I think that they could pull it off in a fairly erotic sense. Remember, that Lena wasn't necessarily raped against her will IIRC; the fact that Covenant didn't ask doesn't necessarily mean that it was totally unwanted. Now, mind you, I would have to read that book again to be sure, but I don't remember Lena once telling Covenant to stop. This rings as more of a sex-scene than an all-out violation IMO, and, like I said, depending on who plays Lena, this could be a scene that's pulled off very well.

It's like the rape scene in The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand said if it was rape it was by "engraved invitation."

Not that Lena thought about things in such a sophisticated or perhaps Bohemian fashion, but in her naive teenaged hero-worship she had already pronounced Covenant the reincarnation of Berek Halfhand and would have approved of anything he did at that moment.

[jacob Raver, sinTempter]

I dunno, depending on who plays Lena, I think that they could pull it off in a fairly erotic sense. Remember, that Lena wasn't necessarily raped against her will IIRC; the fact that Covenant didn't ask doesn't necessarily mean that it was totally unwanted. Now, mind you, I would have to read that book again to be sure, but I don't remember Lena once telling Covenant to stop. This rings as more of a sex-scene than an all-out violation IMO, and, like I said, depending on who plays Lena, this could be a scene that's pulled off very well.

It's like the rape scene in The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand said if it was rape it was by "engraved invitation."

Not that Lena thought about things in such a sophisticated or perhaps Bohemian fashion, but in her naive teenaged hero-worship she had already pronounced Covenant the reincarnation of Berek Halfhand and would have approved of anything he did at that moment.

But she didn't approve, she was in anguish as it happened...

...I do agree that her heavy flirting should have some weight in how Cov came to doing it...but still...it was rape.

[Rigel]

Not that Lena thought about things in such a sophisticated or perhaps Bohemian fashion, but in her naive teenaged hero-worship she had already pronounced Covenant the reincarnation of Berek Halfhand and would have approved of anything he did at that moment.

That's why it was so painful for her. Not only did she have to deal with the crime itself, but the fact that her supposed hero was the one who had commited it...

[amanibhavam]

Did anyone else find Lena a bit pathetic in PTP? She didn't really have any arc or growth, development, etc...

Pathetic? She recognised TC for what he was still she chose to save him from death, still she chose to cling to her vision.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

Not that Lena thought about things in such a sophisticated or perhaps Bohemian fashion, but in her naive teenaged hero-worship she had already pronounced Covenant the reincarnation of Berek Halfhand and would have approved of anything he did at that moment.

That's why it was so painful for her. Not only did she have to deal with the crime itself, but the fact that her supposed hero was the one who had commited it...

I didn't see anything emotionally painful in it for her except for her having to wait so long to see him again.

[rdhopeca]

Not that Lena thought about things in such a sophisticated or perhaps Bohemian fashion, but in her naive teenaged hero-worship she had already pronounced Covenant the reincarnation of Berek Halfhand and would have approved of anything he did at that moment.

That's why it was so painful for her. Not only did she have to deal with the crime itself, but the fact that her supposed hero was the one who had commited it...

I didn't see anything emotionally painful in it for her except for her having to wait so long to see him again.

The girl was raped, and you don't see anything emotionally painful in it for her? At the very least her troubled mental state should be an indication that not everything was normal for her.