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Hey, there's no accounting for taste in literature. Some people have it and some don't! 

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Have you read both Malazan and Bakker?
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I just got Bakker from the library...they didn't have Book 1 of any others...neraly done with the prologue...interesting, though a good writier doesn't do a prologue in the first novel.
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i have.Brinn wrote:Have you read both Malazan and Bakker?
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
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have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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Pah! In one GI answer, SRD mentioned being a fan of Mervyn Peake.Malik23 wrote: To be fair, of the ones listed here, Malazan is the only one "Donaldson approved."
Not that I'm recommending reading the Gormenghast books. They're among my favourites, but very different to Donaldson. Stylistically, they remind me of Dickens more than anything else. And they're the only true ensemble novels I've read, which can make them an odd experience.
jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote: though a good writier doesn't do a prologue in the first novel.

But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
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And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
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I generally don't like prologues. I think they are needless and pretentious. It always seems like a way to fire off the story with a bang, a marketing tool, because the writer doesn't trust his real story.
And in the case of Bakker, I didn't like the first couple of paragraphs. I distinctly remember being overwhelmed by a flurry of unfamiliar names.
But then I quickly became impressed with his language, and the observations his character made. I could tell that a very intelligent man was peering through these characters, and seeing things that made reading it worthwhile.
Anisurimbor Kellhus is one of the most interesting characters you'll ever read.
And in the case of Bakker, I didn't like the first couple of paragraphs. I distinctly remember being overwhelmed by a flurry of unfamiliar names.
But then I quickly became impressed with his language, and the observations his character made. I could tell that a very intelligent man was peering through these characters, and seeing things that made reading it worthwhile.
Anisurimbor Kellhus is one of the most interesting characters you'll ever read.
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i like the prologue in The Exorcist. its a good example of good use of prologue. sets up the story. it contains information regarding a character that doesn't come into the story until later and ties him into the story in an interesting way.
(i read the book 3 times before the movie ever came out. good book.)
i also like the prologue in GotM. in fact, prologues are okey dokey with me. i don't agree with malik and cov jr on prologues.
most writers have a reason for telling the story the way they tell it
and any device can be over-used on occasion.
edit: in fact, i liked the prologue in PoN too. and i agree with murrin regarding Achamian and Cnaiur. those are two of the best characters
in the series.
(i read the book 3 times before the movie ever came out. good book.)
i also like the prologue in GotM. in fact, prologues are okey dokey with me. i don't agree with malik and cov jr on prologues.
most writers have a reason for telling the story the way they tell it
and any device can be over-used on occasion.
edit: in fact, i liked the prologue in PoN too. and i agree with murrin regarding Achamian and Cnaiur. those are two of the best characters
in the series.
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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Say No to Prologoos! 

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At the risk of sounding like a lunatic fanaticMalik23 wrote:Definitely got to finish Gap. Start over from the beginning, and go through as fast as you can. It will be a hell of a ride.
*snip*

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Wow...you gonna take that Malik?StevieG wrote:At the risk of sounding like a lunatic fanaticMalik23 wrote:Definitely got to finish Gap. Start over from the beginning, and go through as fast as you can. It will be a hell of a ride.
*snip*I wholeheartedly agree with Malik - finish the Gap you fool!! But don't pick it up where you left off. Start again from the beginning (it sounds like you've already made your choice based on your previous posts, but - finish the Gap you fool!).


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