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Who is your favourite person to have the story told from?

Thomas Covenant
15
38%
Linden Avery
2
5%
Mhoram
21
53%
Hile Troy
2
5%
 
Total votes: 40

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Turiya Foul wrote:Oh, so no one thought Hile Troy told the story well? :evil: So everyone hates Hile Troy? :evil: I guess I'm a minority then. :?
No, you are not alone Turiya! :D I thought Troy's POV was really good - especially the way his character grew and changed the more pressure he, and his plans, were put under.
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Skyweir wrote:I personally prefer the story to be told through TC's eyes .. because he is so conflicted and torn .. he brings great interest .. great frustration .. great irritation .. and the greatest opportunity for empathy into the story .. imho ..

I came away from TCTC really feeling something for this miserable guy .. and for the first time ever I even appreciated him .. what he had to endure and how much he gave ..

I love Mhoram .. his language and respectfulness of his speech .. but his pov would be quite limited imho .. his experience not as varied as Covenants .. in that he hadnt been through hell .. and come to paradise .. and hadnt known the torment of what TC had lost ..
:Hail: I completely agree with every last thing you said, Skyweir. :Hail: Sure, through Mhoram's POV it would be pretty cool, but he's not an anti-hero like TC is most of the time and he hasn't suffered as much. Bannor is cool, too, but think about it. The Haruchai's complete inability to express their emotions outwardly would block the passion of which TC speaks with so often. (BTW, just something I'm pondering... do the Haruchai express their emotions inwardly at all or when they're thinking to themselves or anything like that?) Well, TC would be my first pick anyday...

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Post by BeTrueUnbeliever »

I think Hile Troy's POV would have been excellent as well (however, my main pick is still TC) and we all know Hile Troy has done his share of suffering, even if not to the extent of TC. Also, I think it would be better if it were pre-forstaal Troy. Just a thought...
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Although I answered Mhoram because the parts of the story that I enjoy most are told from his pov, I know what Sky and the others who voted for TC mean.

If the majority of the story had been told from Mhoram's pov, it would have been less emotionally involving, I think, and therefore a less satisfying read. But it was the contrast between their personalities and attitudes that made Mhoram's chapters so pleasurable to read after some time in the company of TC and his thoughts.
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Well guess what? I voted for Linden, I loved seeing the Land from her point of view. You know I'm a big fan of hers anyway, O.K so she had some seroius hang-ups, but she came to love the Land almost as much as he did, and that was in spite of the Sunbane.
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Cov, easily...I think Mhoram's was great becausewe were used to Covs but wanted the Land to be real...so then when we get M's 'spective in the 'ginning of PTP...Yeah!!!
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W.B. wrote:Though seeing the Land through Mhoram's eyes--with compassion, humor, humanity--is a pleasure, I liked Covenant's POV best, because that's whose viewpoint the series started with, so that became the baseline for me. It's also interesting because Covenant is so obviously a coflicted and possibly unreliable POV character, but also a very intellegent one. He thinks conceptually, sees not just details but how the details fit into a whole schematic, grasps the essentials of how Foul operates, and realizes the implications of his discoveries. So often his revelations are thought-provoking, and I think his discoveries about such things as the efficacy of guilt and power and the way he comes to his response to despair illuminate many themes.

I think it's also essential to understand the whole "leper's morality" that he has to live by (placing one's most basic physical safety and control over everything else: feelings, imagination, dreams) in order to "get" his character, and his POV is the way a reader comes to some kind of understanding. It wasn't until a few chapters into LFB, when you start to see how that morality affects Covenant's concerns and considerations in the Land, that I started to feel more sympathy/empathy for the character. When viewed through others' POVs, especially Troy's and Linden's, he seems (even more :D ) annoying. In the Second Chronicles I was somewhat irritated by his insistence on keeping the ring and doing things the way he thought they should be done (going on the quest for the One Tree, making the deal with the Elohim (spelling?) to get the map to the One Tree), but when the POV shifted back to Covenant, his motivations are clearer.

Which brings me to Linden. I didn't hate her or anything of that nature, but I was least satisfied when the story was told from her POV. Aside from her disturbing suicide-bedeviled past, for me I think the resistance I had to her POV was that, having spent three novels investing effort and getting inside Covenant's head, which is not always easy or pleasant, and which requires coming to an understanding of some of the basic rules that govern his life, having to undergo the entire process again for Linden was hard to swallow.

I think Linden is a little less accessible, since her story comes out in a piecemeal fashion you spend a good chunk of time not knowing her motivations and psychoses, and her past is maybe even darker than Covenant's pre-Land experiences. Though he's unlikable in many ways, I ended up liking Covenant by the end of the First Chronicles. Though often he did the exact opposite of what I would have thought he would, or wanted him to have done, you spend so much time hearing his thoughts, you come to understand, if not concur, with his actions. This is part of what I liked about the Chronicles, their way of thwarting expectations and frustrating the reader, but doing so in an ultimately satisfying way. So, that given, it's not surprising that the Second Chronicles didn't spend all its narrative on Covenant's POV, which is what one might expect them conventionally to do.

Perhaps, after more re-readings (and with the publication of the Third/Last Chronicles--which seem inevitably to entail more Linden, and maybe other, new characters, and less Covenant), with the Second Chronicles story more fixed in my head, Linden will come to be a more agreeable POV character, as Covenant did as the First Chronicles progressed. But, because he's the original, I still think he's the best. :D

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I'll always say Mhoram because HE'S THE BEST!!!
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I don't think we's have 'got' the 1st or even the 2nd Chrons without them being told by Covenant.. How different would the 1st Chrons been from Lena's perspective?

You get the idea that TC is an arsehole enough from his own perspective.
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I enjoyed Mhorams POV the best, but part of that is because he plays such a huge and critical part of the third book. That, and reading his thoughts was quite refreshing from the contradictory complicated viewpoints of Covenant. I quite liked Hile Troys too; his love for the land was obvious, and even though it may have hindered him in the end, just the way he was able to see the world in ways TC couldn't made him different. I also found him to be quite sympathetic - in his shoes I would have thought TC was a bit of a dick too.

I wish we had gotten Hyrims POV in the Illearth War. He would have been interesting one I bet.
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