Not certain, since I haven't watched them again, but wasn't the guy in the van trying to talk Miles out of the Widmore deal one of those now on the island (via flight 316)? My personal facial recognition software (memory) tells me his is, but I can't confirm it right now.
I thought he was the one Ben shot.
Miles is very special. Not just in his skills, but his position on the Island. He's the only one on the island right now who has a chance of encountering himself at an earlier time in his life. The "holding the baby" possibility is intriguing. What if this is what give him the ability to talk to dead people in the first place? It may also induce larger temporal paradoxes which are now called, "The Incident."
Not certain, since I haven't watched them again, but wasn't the guy in the van trying to talk Miles out of the Widmore deal one of those now on the island (via flight 316)? My personal facial recognition software (memory) tells me his is, but I can't confirm it right now.
I thought he was the one Ben shot.
Ben shot Cesar. I'm talking about a burly guy named Bram. The character is listed in both Dead is Dead and Some Like it Hoth. With there being no scenes in the present in Hoth, we have another crossover.
Malik23 wrote:Miles is very special. Not just in his skills, but his position on the Island. He's the only one on the island right now who has a chance of encountering himself at an earlier time in his life. The "holding the baby" possibility is intriguing. What if this is what give him the ability to talk to dead people in the first place? It may also induce larger temporal paradoxes which are now called, "The Incident."
Miles himself might be the reason his mother takes him from the island.
What if the Incident takes the Lost travelers from 1977? What would seem like a temporal paradox from one point in time may not actually be a paradox.
Not certain, since I haven't watched them again, but wasn't the guy in the van trying to talk Miles out of the Widmore deal one of those now on the island (via flight 316)? My personal facial recognition software (memory) tells me his is, but I can't confirm it right now.
I thought he was the one Ben shot.
Ben shot Cesar. I'm talking about a burly guy named Bram. The character is listed in both Dead is Dead and Some Like it Hoth. With there being no scenes in the present in Hoth, we have another crossover.
Malik23 wrote:Miles is very special. Not just in his skills, but his position on the Island. He's the only one on the island right now who has a chance of encountering himself at an earlier time in his life. The "holding the baby" possibility is intriguing. What if this is what give him the ability to talk to dead people in the first place? It may also induce larger temporal paradoxes which are now called, "The Incident."
Miles himself might be the reason his mother takes him from the island.
What if the Incident takes the Lost travelers from 1977? What would seem like a temporal paradox from one point in time may not actually be a paradox.
Yea, I'm thinking that something is going to jump them forward another 10 years, to connect all three incidences of "Incidents". Could be Faraday and the Swan or maybe even Miles and baby Miles connecting/touching? In most time travelling I have seen, one of the rules is you can't have two of the same person together at the same time, it results in temporal explosions or what have you.
Isn't it more likely that there is one Incident that spans a range of time? The same "thing" could pick up people in 2004 and drop them in 1974, and pick up people in 1977 and drop them ... whereever. It's effects don't need to be localized to a single time.
wayfriend wrote:Isn't it more likely that there is one Incident that spans a range of time? The same "thing" could pick up people in 2004 and drop them in 1974, and pick up people in 1977 and drop them ... whereever. It's effects don't need to be localized to a single time.
Good point.
I'm betting the buried nuke is involved somehow.
Does anyone get the impression that part of the Dharma Initiative is working with the others? Surely they can't be building all these hatches outside the sonic barrier without the others knowing.
wayfriend wrote:Isn't it more likely that there is one Incident that spans a range of time? The same "thing" could pick up people in 2004 and drop them in 1974, and pick up people in 1977 and drop them ... whereever. It's effects don't need to be localized to a single time.
Good point.
I'm betting the buried nuke is involved somehow.
Does anyone get the impression that part of the Dharma Initiative is working with the others? Surely they can't be building all these hatches outside the sonic barrier without the others knowing.
This may be what sends Widmore off the island and outta power. I don't think it's island "Loyalists" though, and I'm still not sure where to place the "Shadow of the Statue" faction.
sgt.null wrote:Miles and baby Miles may be the same person - but they are not the same person at the same time.
or am i getting that wrong?
I don't know. In Dr. Who, the Brigadier shorted out the Space Time Continuum (which turned out to be a good thing for the Dr, as it saved the rest of his generations) when a 20 years younger Brigadier touched himself in Mawdryn Undead (er...to rephrase, when the Brigadier came into physical contact with his 20 year younger self)
Can't recall any other specific examples, but, I'm sure there are other examples in other SciFi of one's younger self being in close proximity to one's older self caused major issues
I might be wrong, but my suspicion is that the Incident results in the creation of Smokie, because we aren't seeing it before that time. Unless I am forgetting.
Life is a waste of time
Time is a waste of life
So get wasted all of the time
And you'll have the time of your life
Cagliostro wrote:I might be wrong, but my suspicion is that the Incident results in the creation of Smokie, because we aren't seeing it before that time. Unless I am forgetting.
Possible, but, in the Smokey-Centric episode in the temple we have a Smokey Glyph posing with Anubis. And then of course, we have Little Ben being taken into the Temple to be healed and lose his memory
Was it Terry Brook's Shanarra, or something else, where demons were created by some quantum-physical invention that somehow "froze" atomic bombs as they were exploding?
wayfriend wrote:Was it Terry Brook's Shanarra, or something else, where demons were created by some quantum-physical invention that somehow "froze" atomic bombs as they were exploding?
Substitute Smokie for demon ...
That's Saberhagen's Book of Swords.
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
My head is still spinning from two nights ago. Loved the episode-one of the best ever made. No that wasn't Charlie's guitar case. The ABC board is certainly buzzing:
supercute420 said...
I think that she eventually learns from Kate and Jack, who saw what happened, that Daniel was going to talk to her so he could save Charlotte and change what happened with the 815ers and all, what he intended to do.
Daniel had to have been already born. It's only 1977. So she has to go back to her tent with him and cry with her son as a baby because she just killed her son as an adult.
As much as she doesn't want to send him back to the island because she knows what she is going to do to him, she has to because she can't allow him to change the timeline.
Which is what he was trying to do when she shot him.
Please tell me if this makes sense.
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In a scary way, yes, this makes sense. This is after all, LOST.
I have to wonder if Daniel's warning garbled though it is, is just enough to get Dr. Chang to make some closer examinations of the site and find out what Daniel is saying is correct.
Malik23 wrote:I'm betting the buried nuke is involved somehow.
Just musing, but could the nuke have been what Desmond activated when he turned the key in the Swan? Seems far-fetched, what with Locke, Desmond and Ecko surviving. We just don't know how the EM/singularity power beneath the hatch would react to that kind of detonation, but the effect we saw at the end of Season 2 didn't look like any nuclear explosion.
she can't allow him (Farraday) to change the timeline
In a sense that's true for 2008 Eloise, but for 1977 Eloise she's just shooting someone threatening Richard. It's more telling when she says to Penny that she doesn't know what will happen, and it's been a long time since she felt that way. Someone must tell her about the future (in a way that it will be believed), or she couldn't know that Desmond turns the key in the hatch, or about flight 316.
It has to be the electro-magnetic singularity--Daniel's not named after Michael Faraday for no reason... Right, he basically said he had to set off Jughead to prevent the "incident" from happening, he also wanted to spook Chang in a specific direction-why to develop a safeguard-the button Desmond has to keep pushing? And the hieroglyphics on the countdown are related to the Temple-wild! So, if successful, he wipes out the island and the plane never crashes, but the O-6 have to die anyway because they existed in '77? Everything in this episode makes you head spin.
Somebody also mentioned something to the effect that the writers showed a clip at Comic Con that at least contained Faraday's voice in "The Incident" (the next episode) and that the actor is listed at imdb as appearing in the episode-or course this sets off all sorts of speculation like Jack, the island or the island through the Temple healing him.
sgt.null wrote:i was greatly saddened by the death of Faraday. even though i told Julie when he was introduced that he would be dying.
Yea, when he was introduced, I really didn't think I was going to care about him all that much, but, he's grown to be pretty important to me, and the way it happened is just heartbreaking
When Faraday died, I went "NOOOooooooo..........".
Faraday was going to create a paradox as I saw it. If he succeeded in keeping the plane from crashing, no one would be around to prevent the chain of events that caused the plane to crash. Which would mean that the plane would crash. Paradox.
That's enough of a reason for Faraday to die. If the island is charged with preventing time paradoxes, then Faraday becomes the anti-Locke: he needs to die rather than live in order to prevent a paradox.
Or he was completely wrong about free will and changing time. Maybe, if free will starts pushing too hard, time remains unchanged by virtue of killing whoever's free will is causing the most trouble. Again, Faraday's death is necessitated.
And next week, it seems, Jack&Co will try to do what Faraday tried to do. So I trepidate.
Not that, at this point, I would mind if Jack died. He's getting pretty dislikable.
TV Guide (remember them?) in regards to this season's finale wrote:Charles Widmore told John Locke that a war would take place on the island, and that if John didn't return, the wrong side was going to win. We're still a little unclear on who -- and when -- the sides will be (Hostiles vs. Dharma; Oceanic 6 vs. creepy Ajira survivors; Smokey vs. everyone), but it's clear that tensions are mounting all over, and will probably culminate in at least one shocking season-ending death. Other intriguing tidbits: The finale will introduce us to Jacob, the island's spiritual leader, and we'll see a wedding that takes place off-island. Thump!
