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Yeah, that crossed my mind, too, but I didn't let it bother me unduly. I'm sure physicists out there are blogging away about the many ways that this film disobeys Newton and Einstein.lorin wrote:if one drop of the red matter destroyed the entire Vulcan planet, how is it that the entire big red ball of red matter didnt implode the universe?
* That is a very good point, Sorus. I have no answer to that. To its credit, ST:TNG made amends in that area. And I'm a fan of Janeway (much more than of Picard, in fact).Sorus wrote:Spoiler
The whole keeping with the TOS line of the only women in Starfleet being low-ranks in mini-skirts really annoyed me. Especially since in the original pilot, Pike's first officer was a woman, and they changed that for what? Fear that Spock would be overshadowed? That's not very 21st century, let alone 23rd.
I thought that was pretty clear:Sorus wrote:Oh, and almost forgot:Spoiler
Spock being given command and immediately ditching the Enterprise to beam down to Vulcan.
Maybe women of the 23rd century take better care of themselves than 21st century women, and they like to flaunt this with mini-skirts. Maybe people of the 23rd century have moved on from 20th century feminist guilt and they just promote the best person for the job, rather than picking a women just to make things "fair," to fill a quota, or to appease one's political expectations. Maybe these 23rd century people are mature enough, socially, to realize the human body is a thing of beauty and don't have the hangups we do today. Or maybe this is a movie based on a 60s TV show when miniskirts were popular. However you view it, this is one of the strangest complaints I've seen. Did you like the original series?Sorus wrote:The whole keeping with the TOS line of the only women in Starfleet being low-ranks in mini-skirts really annoyed me. Especially since in the original pilot, Pike's first officer was a woman, and they changed that for what? Fear that Spock would be overshadowed? That's not very 21st century, let alone 23rd.
). I think your observation is very "21st century," and you're applying these dated expectations (shaped by modern feminism, etc.) to a fictional story about the future. You almost guarantee that you're not going to have a good time if you view entertainment through the lense of a political movement that has its roots in anger and indignation. I think it's great that women have made huge advances in the real world, but when we start viewing fictional worlds with disdain for their lack of fairness we expect from the real world, well, like I said: recipe for ruining a good time. In my opinion. You do realize that lots of wimpy, nerdy guys watch this franchise, right? Guys who live vicariously through their mythic heroes. For purely marketing reasons, the things you're complaining about make perfect sense. But they also make sense for narrative reasons. The juxtaposition of "primitive" physical combat with the advanced technology and weapons reminds us that no matter how "advanced" we become, certain physical truths will always remain--like the necessity of physical combat. Maybe it's a guy thing, a truth that women do not have at the forefront of their thoughts (because they often have men to perform this service for them). But speaking as a guy, I thought the hand-to-hand combat rocked. Pulling a trigger is so easy. Using your fists is not only in character for Kirk, but it's also damn masculine.All the macho action sequences. Why are they sending down people who know hand-to-hand combat? Did I miss something regarding why that was necessary? The whole Highlander-esque sword fight on the edge of oblivion while your enemies are drilling a giant hole in the planet and every second counts was absurd. And after they defeat the Romulans in hand-to-hand combat, they realize that the guy who died had been carrying the explosive charges necessary for destroying the mining beam - so what do they do? They pull out their phasers and shoot the machinery. Argh. If they'd shot the frakking Romulans they could have stopped the beam before it reached the core, and maybe saved the planet.
Yeah, that got old. Good point.People hanging by their fingertips an inch away from certain death. How many times? Enough already. We know they're not going to fall.
If I could interject, this is also why Neo from the Matrix appeals to me so much. He's the ultimate computer nerd hero: he neatly fulfills this geek's male fantasy by kicking ass when he needs to, without having to be built like a muscle tank, while at the same time not being afraid to ask for help when he needs it.Malik23 in response to Sorus wrote: You do realize that lots of wimpy, nerdy guys watch this franchise, right? Guys who live vicariously through their mythic heroes.
That's how I felt about her, too.[Edit: I though Uhura's character was a lot stronger than the original. She effortless resisted Kirk's advances, and chose a man of intellect rather than a man of brawn. She was smart, classy, and strong. Her attire didn't detract from these qualities, in my opinion.]
Actually, Kirk lost his phaser at the beginning of the fight. They used the dead Romulans' weapons on the drill. Barring Kirk not losing his phaser (which he did twice in the movie--he needs to work on thatSorus wrote:And after they defeat the Romulans in hand-to-hand combat, they realize that the guy who died had been carrying the explosive charges necessary for destroying the mining beam - so what do they do? They pull out their phasers and shoot the machinery. Argh. If they'd shot the frakking Romulans they could have stopped the beam before it reached the core, and maybe saved the planet.
), the physical fighting had to come first.We are talking about Romulans. Aren't all their space-faring vehicles armed? Plus, a mining vessel should be stocked with a sufficient supply of combustibles, and the sensors to find what they needed over the 25 years they waited for Spock.dANdeLION wrote:Loved the movie, but still am trying to figure out how Nero armed a freighter without the help of other Romulans, seeing as how Romulus was destroyed and all.
They had the weapons when they first came through the singularity and blew up daddy Kirk's ship. Then they disappeared for 25 years, and reappeared, taking out the planet Vulcan and 7 Starfleet ships in the process. Had they spent those 25 years looking for more weaponry, I think someone would have spotted them. Besides, their weapons were from the future, which is why they were so effective. And if they had to search for weapons, why didn't they take the weapons off of Spock's ship? Other than the Red Matter, they seemed to leave it completely intact.ItisWritten wrote:Pardon me, I'm just having fun picking at the nits.We are talking about Romulans. Aren't all their space-faring vehicles armed? Plus, a mining vessel should be stocked with a sufficient supply of combustibles, and the sensors to find what they needed over the 25 years they waited for Spock.dANdeLION wrote:Loved the movie, but still am trying to figure out how Nero armed a freighter without the help of other Romulans, seeing as how Romulus was destroyed and all.
* I got that, it just seemed with a planet-destroying lunatic running amok, it probably wasn't a great idea for the captain of the only ship that knew what was happening and had a chance at stopping further destruction to put himself in personal jeopardy to save a few people. Yes, it was a truly horrible decision to have to make and I'm not saying he did the wrong thing, but don't the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?ItisWritten wrote:I thought that was pretty clear:
Vulcan was dying, and the elders who held the essence of their history and culture would die too unless someone went into the temple(?) that they had taken refuge in.
Spock was the best person to reach it quickly, and convince them immediately.
I'm not talking about filling quotas or political expectations. This is an advanced future society where equality is - supposedly - important, and I find it difficult to believe that all the best people for the job are male.Malik23 wrote: Maybe women of the 23rd century take better care of themselves than 21st century women, and they like to flaunt this with mini-skirts. Maybe people of the 23rd century have moved on from 20th century feminist guilt and they just promote the best person for the job, rather than picking a women just to make things "fair," to fill a quota, or to appease one's political expectations. Maybe these 23rd century people are mature enough, socially, to realize the human body is a thing of beauty and don't have the hangups we do today. Or maybe this is a movie based on a 60s TV show when miniskirts were popular. However you view it, this is one of the strangest complaints I've seen. Did you like the original series?
Agreed.Malik23 wrote:
[Edit: I though Uhura's character was a lot stronger than the original. She effortless resisted Kirk's advances, and chose a man of intellect rather than a man of brawn. She was smart, classy, and strong. Her attire didn't detract from these qualities, in my opinion.]
Okay, got me on that one. I had seen where they got the weapons, but apparently forgot.ItisWritten wrote:Actually, Kirk lost his phaser at the beginning of the fight. They used the dead Romulans' weapons on the drill. Barring Kirk not losing his phaser (which he did twice in the movie--he needs to work on thatSorus wrote:And after they defeat the Romulans in hand-to-hand combat, they realize that the guy who died had been carrying the explosive charges necessary for destroying the mining beam - so what do they do? They pull out their phasers and shoot the machinery. Argh. If they'd shot the frakking Romulans they could have stopped the beam before it reached the core, and maybe saved the planet.
