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The three of us went to see Terminator: Salvation yesterday.
Now, please keep in mind while I've seen the first three, I'm not really a fan of the series, and I'm not an "action" flick fan either. I have yet to see any of the rebooted Batman or Bonds for example. I haven't even watched any of the Pirates of the Carribean films, although we own all three of them, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

That said, between what Cail said about the movie, and the two guys really wanting me to tag along, I went. And what can I say? Wow, an action chick flick.
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I totally got in to the concept of Marcus. The complacency with which the rebellion accepted his decision, in my feeling simply because he's a cyborg and not human in their eyes, at the end causes me to wonder just how "human" humanity still was from fighting this war...


I can't really comment on the negative reviews I've heard about. I'm not really enough in to the series to care.
But I, for one, enjoyed this.
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I enjoyed it quite a bit, but mostly because of the Marcus character. Sam Worthington's performance had my attention more than Bale's ever did.

But Connor's story arc in this movie
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was laid out by Michael Biehn in 5 minutes of exposition in T1.
Still, it's hard to imagine them doing this movie without Connor's tale being detailed. You might call this a Revenge of the Sith syndrome. We knew how it had to come out, so that much is anticlimatic. Hopefully, they can avoid this problem now that they're past the major set up.

And yet, I did enjoy the movie. Marcus' tale was compelling for me. Maybe I'm just a sucker for characters seeking redemption. I think I'm posting in the right place. :wink:

One big nit for me.
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Don't terminators know how to kill humans? How many times did the T800 throw Connor when all he had to do was hold on and crush him? It's efforts were not efficient or machine-like.
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ItisWritten wrote:I enjoyed it quite a bit, but mostly because of the Marcus character. Sam Worthington's performance had my attention more than Bale's ever did.
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ItisWritten wrote:And yet, I did enjoy the movie. Marcus' tale was compelling for me. Maybe I'm just a sucker for characters seeking redemption. I think I'm posting in the right place. :wink:
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...ditto...ditto...ditto...

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I saw the movie a couple of days ago, and really enjoyed it. It's better than T3, and on par with T2. Everything that has been said here regarding Marcus I agree with.

Oh, I LOVED the giant Terminator. The sounds it made were creepy.
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I went to see Salvation last night, and I'm simultaneously impressed and unimpressed.

The whole Marcus thing was quite interesting and done fairly well, even if it's not really explained very well. One of the complaints I've heard about this film is that John Connor is secondary to Marcus, but I don't see that this is a bad thing. After all, we know pretty much the whole of Connor's story by now, except the fine detail. I enjoyed the film, and appreciated the lack of cheesy camp compared to parts of T2.
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One aspect that started off irritating me, but later surprised me by actually being explained, was Marcus' reasons for acting like a human. Throughout the film, I kept thinking that surely Skynet was too careful to release a Terminator that thinks it's human; the explanation was surprising - not in its nature but in its inclusion. It shows greater thought than I expected from Salvation, and it re-establishes Skynet's cunning, which is something that's been missing for a while.

I also appreciated the appearance of the Arnold T-800. It was obviously just a tip of the hat to the previous films, and maybe a way of establishing some visual link between Salvation and the others, but it was still a nice touch. I didn't expect it, and I was impressed by how successfully Arnold was mimicked.
On the other hand, some elements annoyed me.
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The barrel roll of the camera in the crashed helicopter seemed contrived (and I'm not someone who generally notices camera work), it seemed far too easy to sneak into Skynet Central, and John Connor never convinced me as someone so magnetic that the resistance forces would act in defiance of their commanders and the only apparent hope for victory just on his word. Throughout most of the film, Connor is more a maverick soldier than any kind of figurehead or inspirational leader. My first real gripe, though, is the nuke. What the hell is that? Connor detonates several nuclear devices while flying low overhead and no-one in any of the aircraft suffers so much as turbulence? That's the one of two parts of this film that struck me as downright sloppy. The other one is Connor's astonishment. I know he's shocked that a terminator genuinely believes it's human, but he also seemed like he hadn't already encountered terminators in the past. He seemed like he was just now seeing each of Skynet's new inventions, rather than having met a T-800 and and fought a T-1000 in adolescence.
Overall, though it had several faults and seemed to me to have been slightly clumsily directed, I found Salvation a reasonably enjoyable watch. It managed to be an action film without being corny, and it made an effort to stick to the sinister menace of the original Terminator. I'm willing to forgive its shortcomings because none of them were so glaring that they affected my enjoyment too badly.

Now I might have to give the TV series another try. I saw an episode, maybe two, and it didn't grab me at all. It could be worth another go, though, and season 1 is available for a decent price on Amazon.
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The series makes mincemeat of the (already) convoluted timeline, but it's quite well done.
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I just took it upon myself to fill in the gap in my Terminator viewing. I hadn't seen number three, but now I have. It's not terrible, but not good either. Like number two, it's an over the top, 90s-style action film that betrays the seriousness of its doomsday-prevention premise by indulging in campy fluff humour. Of course, T2 was 90s, so that's forgivable. This one felt like a throwback to the cheap action glut of that decade. Still, it was better than I feared it might have been. Since I first heard about the TX I've been mildly dreading actually witnessing it, but Kristanna Loken actually didn't do a bad job with a role that could very easily have been hideous. Plus she has nice eyes, which always wins bonus points in my book. :P

Anyway, watching T3 really worked wonders to highlight how good T4 is by comparison. I appreciated the consistent seriousness of Salvation while watching it, but now it's even more apparent, and even more appreciated. Still flawed, of course, but easily the strongest Terminator film since the original.
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CovenantJr wrote: Anyway, watching T3 really worked wonders to highlight how good T4 is by comparison. I appreciated the consistent seriousness of Salvation while watching it, but now it's even more apparent, and even more appreciated. Still flawed, of course, but easily the strongest Terminator film since the original.
And here's the crux of it. Very few sequels do anything to add to a series (Aliens and The Dark Knight being notable exceptions), but are only doomed to eventually kill of the franchise.

Kind of like a Peter Principle of moviemaking... you WILL get sequels until they suck enough to kill off the series...
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This is true. It's about money, after all. As long as they're still good enough for people to pay to see them, they'll keep coming.
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CovenantJr wrote:This is true. It's about money, after all. As long as they're still good enough for people to pay to see them, they'll keep coming.
Which is basically Uwe Boll's whole strategy.

I saw an interview with him where he admitted the movies he makes aren't all that great, but he made them the way he does because people still pay to see them.
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