What was Really Happening in those Final Paragraphs?

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I am asking without offering my usual speculative answers. What clues were we given? A tsunami, and stars winking out of existence. A dawn approaching but which never quite happened. If the Worm had something to do with it all, I can't put the ocean events together with the astral events, they are too far apart for even the Worm to affect both in such a brief span of time. And if the sun is gone, then what's the point of struggling further? One can't get very far without the sun even if the Worm is Forbidden from drinking the EarthBlood.

The ending was just - unusual. I'm not even sure one can classify it as a cliffhanger as some reviewers on Amazon have claimed.

[Akasri]

I assumed the tsunami was an after-effect of the Worm breaking through the crust of the earth (tectonic shifts)

I'm wondering if the Worm is giving off such a glow (all that puissance and all) that it appears to be dawn, but it really isn't? That's about the only thing I can come up with.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I assumed the tsunami was an after-effect of the Worm breaking through the crust of the earth (tectonic shifts)

I'm wondering if the Worm is giving off such a glow (all that puissance and all) that it appears to be dawn, but it really isn't? That's about the only thing I can come up with.

I believe the darkness/twilight will be a permanent feature, or almost, of TLD.

[lurch]

I'm not even sure of the Time . Joan did create a caesure. The When of it all is subjective.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I'm not even sure of the Time . Joan did create a caesure. The When of it all is subjective.

Joan's wild magic brought Covenant and the Haruchai out of the Fall and back to the present moment. She wouldn't be able to kill him otherwise. (Too bad though, nobody from the "real" world ever happens to be wearing a watch.)

[lurch]

I'm not even sure of the Time . Joan did create a caesure. The When of it all is subjective.

Joan's wild magic brought Covenant and the Haruchai out of the Fall and back to the present moment. She wouldn't be able to kill him otherwise. (Too bad though, nobody from the "real" world ever happens to be wearing a watch.)

You think so? Yes, it was dark before Joans caesure,,and it was dark upon getting out of the caesure,,but place had changed. Yes? So, why not Time? Time,,place in Time is completely blurred in the last chapter, so..I'm not sure When in Time we are left at , at end of AATE. There is a possibility that It could be the future...imho.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I'm not even sure of the Time . Joan did create a caesure. The When of it all is subjective.

Joan's wild magic brought Covenant and the Haruchai out of the Fall and back to the present moment. She wouldn't be able to kill him otherwise. (Too bad though, nobody from the "real" world ever happens to be wearing a watch.)

You think so? Yes, it was dark before Joans caesure,,and it was dark upon getting out of the caesure,,but place had changed. Yes? So, why not Time? Time,,place in Time is completely blurred in the last chapter, so..I'm not sure When in Time we are left at , at end of AATE. There is a possibility that It could be the future...imho.

Yes it definitely was dark at the beginning of this sequence - the darkness before dawn. But then dawn didn't quite make it. I don't see any temporal disconnect.

[Vraith]

I think we're now, because storm was coming before entered ceasure, and I'm pretty sure that ceasures can't reach the future, only from this moment back.
I think the lack of sun/stars going out is a haze/eclipsing from the worm's destroying detritus, and maybe it's aura of power, too. Also, of course, a sign of the future if the worm isn't stopped, and the Arch is destroyed. It's metaphorical now [backwards to myth/creation, forward to the end], but will be literal.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I think we're now, because storm was coming before entered ceasure, and I'm pretty sure that ceasures can't reach the future, only from this moment back.
I think the lack of sun/stars going out is a haze/eclipsing from the worm's destroying detritus, and maybe it's aura of power, too. Also, of course, a sign of the future if the worm isn't stopped, and the Arch is destroyed. It's metaphorical now [backwards to myth/creation, forward to the end], but will be literal.

Apparently, the Worm doesn't have to literally devour the stars.

[lurch]

Joan's wild magic brought Covenant and the Haruchai out of the Fall and back to the present moment. She wouldn't be able to kill him otherwise. (Too bad though, nobody from the "real" world ever happens to be wearing a watch.)

You think so? Yes, it was dark before Joans caesure,,and it was dark upon getting out of the caesure,,but place had changed. Yes? So, why not Time? Time,,place in Time is completely blurred in the last chapter, so..I'm not sure When in Time we are left at , at end of AATE. There is a possibility that It could be the future...imho.

Yes it definitely was dark at the beginning of this sequence - the darkness before dawn. But then dawn didn't quite make it. I don't see any temporal disconnect.

AAHH..but all the Time tripping by Convenant , escorted by the Raver/Joan in the last chapter, is nothing but temporal disconnect. Perhaps the author is suggesting the reader do a little time tripping of our own..? There is Mystery at end of AATE for sure. The author changed Space for us, but said nothing about Time. Freedom from the imposed strictures of Space and Time have been an underlying motif of the Last Chrons all along...imho. Maybe the author is seeing if we can do a little of it on our own..?

[thewormoftheworld'send]

You think so? Yes, it was dark before Joans caesure,,and it was dark upon getting out of the caesure,,but place had changed. Yes? So, why not Time? Time,,place in Time is completely blurred in the last chapter, so..I'm not sure When in Time we are left at , at end of AATE. There is a possibility that It could be the future...imho.

Yes it definitely was dark at the beginning of this sequence - the darkness before dawn. But then dawn didn't quite make it. I don't see any temporal disconnect.

AAHH..but all the Time tripping by Convenant , escorted by the Raver/Joan in the last chapter, is nothing but temporal disconnect. Perhaps the author is suggesting the reader do a little time tripping of our own..? There is Mystery at end of AATE for sure. The author changed Space for us, but said nothing about Time. Freedom from the imposed strictures of Space and Time have been an underlying motif of the Last Chrons all along...imho. Maybe the author is seeing if we can do a little of it on our own..?

According to the text, Joan's wild magic brought him out of the Fall and to that location.

Joan’s blow had other effects as well: effects which Herem had not intended, and could not prevent....Inadvertently her despair resurrected him in front of her.

[lurch]

Yes it definitely was dark at the beginning of this sequence - the darkness before dawn. But then dawn didn't quite make it. I don't see any temporal disconnect.

AAHH..but all the Time tripping by Convenant , escorted by the Raver/Joan in the last chapter, is nothing but temporal disconnect. Perhaps the author is suggesting the reader do a little time tripping of our own..? There is Mystery at end of AATE for sure. The author changed Space for us, but said nothing about Time. Freedom from the imposed strictures of Space and Time have been an underlying motif of the Last Chrons all along...imho. Maybe the author is seeing if we can do a little of it on our own..?

According to the text, Joan's wild magic brought him out of the Fall and to that location.

Joan’s blow had other effects as well: effects which Herem had not intended, and could not prevent....Inadvertently her despair resurrected him in front of her.

Yes..that establishes " where". Yet..the tsunami...it strikes me as a great metaphor for " Sea Change"..a transformation. Again, the author harkens back to Shakespeare...beauty. So..I'm feeling a " interaction" here between the author and the reader, on the scale of the Thomas Convenant and Jeremiah of FR. Time is assumed,,yet the author makes no mention of it as he does Place. The Dark...is Mystery itself..the Unknown...the Future. All pretense must fall aside.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

AAHH..but all the Time tripping by Convenant , escorted by the Raver/Joan in the last chapter, is nothing but temporal disconnect. Perhaps the author is suggesting the reader do a little time tripping of our own..? There is Mystery at end of AATE for sure. The author changed Space for us, but said nothing about Time. Freedom from the imposed strictures of Space and Time have been an underlying motif of the Last Chrons all along...imho. Maybe the author is seeing if we can do a little of it on our own..?

According to the text, Joan's wild magic brought him out of the Fall and to that location.

Joan’s blow had other effects as well: effects which Herem had not intended, and could not prevent....Inadvertently her despair resurrected him in front of her.

Yes..that establishes " where". Yet..the tsunami...it strikes me as a great metaphor for " Sea Change"..a transformation. Again, the author harkens back to Shakespeare...beauty. So..I'm feeling a " interaction" here between the author and the reader, on the scale of the Thomas Convenant and Jeremiah of FR. Time is assumed,,yet the author makes no mention of it as he does Place. The Dark...is Mystery itself..the Unknown...the Future. All pretense must fall aside.

Time isn't mentioned?

Cav-Morin mused:

“Your time lies beyond our ken. You are needed then, not here. You are loved then, not here."

And this:

In the sequences of her life, he had not been absent for more than a few moments: that was obvious.

[lurch]

According to the text, Joan's wild magic brought him out of the Fall and to that location.

Yes..that establishes " where". Yet..the tsunami...it strikes me as a great metaphor for " Sea Change"..a transformation. Again, the author harkens back to Shakespeare...beauty. So..I'm feeling a " interaction" here between the author and the reader, on the scale of the Thomas Convenant and Jeremiah of FR. Time is assumed,,yet the author makes no mention of it as he does Place. The Dark...is Mystery itself..the Unknown...the Future. All pretense must fall aside.

Time isn't mentioned?

Cav-Morin mused:

“Your time lies beyond our ken. You are needed then, not here. You are loved then, not here."

And this:

In the sequences of her life, he had not been absent for more than a few moments: that was obvious.

Only in subjective terms..seems to me. Look at " then". Its in the future from that POV. That sentence doesn't say exactly when the Need is..a subjective usage of the ambiguous word " then" seems to me. The author is setting us up. " In the sequence of her life"..shes,,mentally challenged to put it nicely. What is " In the sequence of her life" saying? Shes all over the place as far as Time goes, caesures right? A hint by the author of what it is to unhinge ones self from the strictures of Time?

The author certainly had his " fun" with the reader in FR with TC and Jeremiah. Seems to me hes once again inviting us in on some " Play". The tsunami represents a " sea change" a Major shift in perspective. I'm going with it.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I think we're now, because storm was coming before entered ceasure, and I'm pretty sure that ceasures can't reach the future, only from this moment back.
I think the lack of sun/stars going out is a haze/eclipsing from the worm's destroying detritus, and maybe it's aura of power, too.

Probably not.

In contrast, the stars overhead grew strangely distinct, eerie and fragile. ... But there was no sun.

Wouldn't the haze affect seeing the stars too?

[thewormoftheworld'send]

Yes..that establishes " where". Yet..the tsunami...it strikes me as a great metaphor for " Sea Change"..a transformation. Again, the author harkens back to Shakespeare...beauty. So..I'm feeling a " interaction" here between the author and the reader, on the scale of the Thomas Convenant and Jeremiah of FR. Time is assumed,,yet the author makes no mention of it as he does Place. The Dark...is Mystery itself..the Unknown...the Future. All pretense must fall aside.

Time isn't mentioned?

Cav-Morin mused:

“Your time lies beyond our ken. You are needed then, not here. You are loved then, not here."

And this:

In the sequences of her life, he had not been absent for more than a few moments: that was obvious.

Only in subjective terms..seems to me. Look at " then". Its in the future from that POV. That sentence doesn't say exactly when the Need is..a subjective usage of the ambiguous word " then" seems to me. The author is setting us up. " In the sequence of her life"..shes,,mentally challenged to put it nicely. What is " In the sequence of her life" saying? Shes all over the place as far as Time goes, caesures right? A hint by the author of what it is to unhinge ones self from the strictures of Time?

The author certainly had his " fun" with the reader in FR with TC and Jeremiah. Seems to me hes once again inviting us in on some " Play". The tsunami represents a " sea change" a Major shift in perspective. I'm going with it.

The Arch of Time rules over all life equally, even Joan's.

As for the tsunami, it represents the fact that the Worm is fast approaching the Land.

[lurch]

The Arch of Time rules over all life equally, even Joan's.

Oh really? Seems to me..Linden busted that " rule" long ago...in Runes. Esmer,Theomach, Mahdoubt, Harrow etc had no problem transcending the rule of Time.The Ranyhin appear to know their future callings.. TC in AATE is all about transcending Time. The message of Time being subjective is thru-out the Last Chrons. Just maybe..being held to the Rule of Time is a Despair? SWMNBN heavily suggests that. Getting stuck in the past,,not being able to move on from the slings and arrows suffered in the past appears at the foundation of SWMNBN.

So..imho...all this Water..Linden's connection to Things Water..is about Change,,about making the changes. The perspective Has Changed from,,mistakes of the Past,,to creating a Future. The act of Creating a Future,,not repeating the past, but Creating A Future,,the difference between the two , the sea change required, is THE Change required Against All Things Ending. The author is inviting Us to come along.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

The Arch of Time rules over all life equally, even Joan's.

Oh really? Seems to me..Linden busted that " rule" long ago...in Runes. Esmer,Theomach, Mahdoubt, Harrow etc had no problem transcending the rule of Time.The Ranyhin appear to know their future callings.. TC in AATE is all about transcending Time. The message of Time being subjective is thru-out the Last Chrons. Just maybe..being held to the Rule of Time is a Despair? SWMNBN heavily suggests that. Getting stuck in the past,,not being able to move on from the slings and arrows suffered in the past appears at the foundation of SWMNBN.

So..imho...all this Water..Linden's connection to Things Water..is about Change,,about making the changes. The perspective Has Changed from,,mistakes of the Past,,to creating a Future. The act of Creating a Future,,not repeating the past, but Creating A Future,,the difference between the two , the sea change required, is THE Change required Against All Things Ending. The author is inviting Us to come along.

You should write a review on Amazon. I got tired of all the negativity there.

"Time" is defined in the Chrons as causality and sequence. Life is ruled by these, but magic is not. And thanks to magic (Lost Deep), Linden's fate is now written in water, not stone. It is fluid, not intransigent. But the most we can say at this point in the story is that her fate is unpredictable. I would be surprised if Linden didn't continue to repeat past mistakes, the same kinds of mistakes for the same reasons.

[lurch]

HA! if there is one thing Humans would improve themselves thru Evolution..its the penchant to be negative, self defeating. If We could evolve away from the ease,,the laziness,,that keeps negative so close at mind, we'd be better off. Yes, of course its all a matter of Habit. Linden,,breaking her own Habitual way of thinking and perceiving thus having to deal with the dire consequences..is what the Last Chrons have been about...imho. Whats the saying.."Doctor, Heal Thy Self "..?

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I'm not even sure of the Time . Joan did create a caesure. The When of it all is subjective.

A Land without the sun will seem that way. Subjectively.