The Dark Knight Rises

Post by **Loredoctor** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:14 pm

Well, the villains have been announced: Catwoman and Bane. I'm incredibly unimpressed.

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Post by **dANdeLION** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:16 pm

But Anne Hathaway will play Selina!

Post by **Vraith** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:28 pm

Bah...Bane was always boring to me, gonna have to be a total alteration/re-interpretation to interest me.

Even Catwoman needs some interesting tweaks, at this point.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:38 pm

Bane? Srsly? He is one of the worst villains ever created. "Born in a prison" and "hopped up on Improved Venom" do not make a good character; they were mere contrivances with only one goal in mind--break Batman's back and sell comic books. It was like when Superman "died".

I have to admit I'm glad he didn't try Penguin, though. It would be strange to try and figure out how to portray him with the way Nolan has done things so far. In the interest of being fair, though, I have to admit that Penguin's original origin is pretty weak, too: a wimpy nerd who gets pushed around by some punks invents a .45-caliber umbrella and becomes a criminal mastermind. erm...ok, if you say so.

I think Ms. Hathaway has the range to properly play Catwoman/Kyle but I will be measuring her performance against Michelle Pfeiffer's. Her Catwoman was pretty darned good, complete the almost split personality.

On a side note, I know how Ledger's Joker got his scars. They were self-inflicted so he could use the shock value in people seeing them up close plus they allowed him to come up with off-the-wall origins for himself. I also concur with his self-assessment: he was not crazy--everything he did was chaotic, yes, but done for a reason. I disagree with his other self-assessment, though--he did make plans, otherwise his actions would not have brought about his intended results.

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:49 pm

they should have used Mr. Polka Dot.

that is a movie I would pay to see.

Catwoman has been done and Bane is dull.

Post by **High Lord Tolkien** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:53 pm

I have a soft spot in my heart for Crazy Quilt for some reason.
I think he was in one of the first Batman comics I got.

I just googled a list of Batman villians.
You know what? they all kinda suck.
I guess that's why I was never a Batman fan.

The TV Batman from the 60's ruined Batman for me.
There can never be anything better that that show.
And the movie? Outstanding.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:51 pm

Given the limitations Batman has--being merely human with no superhuman abilities whatsoever--means that his enemies have to be relatively limited, as well. Honestly, a telepath of even moderate power could absolutely ruin most superheroes. Get close enough to telereceive, write down the information, then publish the list of secret identities to the local newspaper...or at least threaten to if the heroes don't reveal themselves publicly.

Post by **sgt.null** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:49 am

High Lord Tolkien wrote:I just googled a list of Batman villians.
You know what? they all kinda suck.

I will have to disagree. he and Spiderman have the best rogues gallery. imho.

Joker, Calender Man, Catman, Deadshot, Catwoman, Cluemaster, Get Away Genius, Signal Man, Dr. Hugo Strange, Riddler, Scarecrow, Solomon Grundy, Circus of Strange, Black Spider, Cavalier, the Swagman, Crazy Quilt, Mr. Polka Dot.

there are more popular ones as well. but with just those you can get a good 3-4 year run of stories.

Post by **Orlion** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:15 am

They could have had Dr. Hugo Strange... but noooo, they're going to do Catwoman and Bane....*sigh* I thought Bane was too unrealistic for Nolan's Batman vision...

Post by **Rigel** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:54 am

Guess what guys?

You're going to hate this movie. Get over it.

OK, now for the serious answer: The Dark Knight was an awesome movie. It had a good story, great performances, and captured the zeitgeist about several socially relevant topics. The odds of that happening once were incredibly small... the odds of it happening again are abysmal.

I've resigned myself. While it would be awesome to get this, we'll probably get this.

Post by **finn** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:36 am

Good posts Hashi, that's pretty much mirrored what I was thinking. I'm just hoping we don't get another Tim Roth (Blonsky - Hulk) or Max Ryan (Dante - League of Extraordinary Gentlemen), CGI cartoon monster. I always felt that the villains for Batman should be more sinister and mysterious in keeping with the hero, rather than possessing powers, such as Superman's nemeses.

The villain and the hero should be able to treat near equal terms, either matched or balanced, but able to use their advantages to offset those of their foes.

Post by **Loredoctor** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:28 am

Rigel wrote:Guess what guys?

You're going to hate this movie. Get over it.

Oh good lord, cut the attitude. I loved the first two movies, especially the second despite my misgivings of casting Ledger. So I hardly think I'm going to hate the movie before seeing it. I just don't like the villains for the third movie, hence why I am unimpressed (not sure why you think I will hate the movie). Is that okay?

Post by **sgt.null** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:41 am

is adam west still batman - if not, why not?

Post by **Loredoctor** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:45 am

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:he was not crazy--everything he did was chaotic, yes, but done for a reason. I disagree with his other self-assessment, though--he did make plans, otherwise his actions would not have brought about his intended results.

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Whilst his plans were preposterous and complicated, pushing believability, I do agree with you. What I loved about him, was that he was like a force of entropy; that no matter what order (plans) he set out, the end result was more entropy/chaos. The Joker was great.

Post by **Lord Zombiac** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:35 am

Bartender! A round of boners all around!

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:04 am

1960s comics were something else, weren't they? Naturally, that word doesn't mean what we use it to mean these days.

Post by **sgt.null** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:37 am

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:37 pm

KGBeast would be cool. Even though they'd have to rename him.

Or the Wraith, from my favorite Batman comic ever:

Post by **DukkhaWaynhim** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:32 pm

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:1960s comics were something else, weren't they? Naturally, that word doesn't mean what we use it to mean these days.

Perhaps we should invite rus in to tell us the original etymological or Biblical meaning of boner.

dw

Post by **sgt.null** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:41 pm

KGBeast and NKVDemon would have been retro and cool.

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