...The buffoon without whom Frodo would have been nothing.Avatar wrote:Yeah, I have to agree to a large extent. Part of it is a consequence of the time that the story was written probably, and the then-current and recently past conventions, but he does annoy me a lot of the time.TheFallen wrote:Mr. Worm, I should probably have rather said that I find Sam intensely irritating, ironically enough for the very same reasons that you like him. He shows nothing but dumb overweening loyalty and forelock-tugging subservience - it's his sole defining characteristic, the two dimensional cretinous buffoon.
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Yes, that's the buffoon, right enough. I'm not for one second doubting Sam's absolutely crucial role in the destruction of the one ring - that however doesn't stop me being irritated by his character (or lack of it).TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:...The buffoon without whom Frodo would have been nothing.Avatar wrote:Yeah, I have to agree to a large extent. Part of it is a consequence of the time that the story was written probably, and the then-current and recently past conventions, but he does annoy me a lot of the time.TheFallen wrote:Mr. Worm, I should probably have rather said that I find Sam intensely irritating, ironically enough for the very same reasons that you like him. He shows nothing but dumb overweening loyalty and forelock-tugging subservience - it's his sole defining characteristic, the two dimensional cretinous buffoon.
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They both would have failed without GollumTheFallen wrote:Yes, that's the buffoon, right enough. I'm not for one second doubting Sam's absolutely crucial role in the destruction of the one ring - that however doesn't stop me being irritated by his character (or lack of it).TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:...The buffoon without whom Frodo would have been nothing.Avatar wrote: Yeah, I have to agree to a large extent. Part of it is a consequence of the time that the story was written probably, and the then-current and recently past conventions, but he does annoy me a lot of the time.
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I don't know, call me a fantasy heretic or something, but Tolkien does little for me. And discussing/arguing about Tolkien books does little for me, either.
Best thing from Tolkien? The Silmarillion. I quite liked that.
As for the rest, yeah we owe him a debt, yadda yadda yadda...but the books themselves? Blah. Give me SRD, Erikson, and GG Kay anyday.
...and the ending of LotR sucks.
Best thing from Tolkien? The Silmarillion. I quite liked that.
As for the rest, yeah we owe him a debt, yadda yadda yadda...but the books themselves? Blah. Give me SRD, Erikson, and GG Kay anyday.
...and the ending of LotR sucks.
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Blasphemy!Horrim Carabal wrote:I don't know, call me a fantasy heretic or something, but Tolkien does little for me. And discussing/arguing about Tolkien books does little for me, either.
Best thing from Tolkien? The Silmarillion. I quite liked that.
As for the rest, yeah we owe him a debt, yadda yadda yadda...but the books themselves? Blah. Give me SRD, Erikson, and GG Kay anyday.
...and the ending of LotR sucks.
I like LotR, though I have always liked The Silmarillion more. Children of Hurin was excellent as well.'Tis dream to think that Reason can
Govern the reasoning creature, man.
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A quick scan of the posts in this thread learned me some of my own fantasy favorites are among the general favorites, but not all.
In no partical order:
- Earthsea, Ursula Leguin. Often mentioned. I didn't like the fourth book, Tehanu, though.
- Tolkien's middle earth, especially Silmarillion.
- Tanith Lee, Flat Earth series. Haven't seen this one mentioned. Anyone familiar with? Really like the sense of humour, the very coherent world she creates here.
- Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light. I read some of the earlier Amber books and I did like them, but I prefer Lord of Light. Top class.
I guess those are my top 4. Some other "honorable mentions":
- Mists of Avalon, Bradley and
- Terence White's The Once and Future King (both Arthurian fantasy).
- Herbert's Dune novels, especially the first book. I guess this is more SF than fantasy.
- In a way you might call mythological stories fantasy as well. That would bring me to include some Nordic and Hindu mythology: Völuspá, Edda, Mahabharata. Anyone seen Peter Brook's Mahabharata (televised)? Love it.
- Harry Potter
This is all by heart, I'm sure I'm forgetting some big ones. I'll check my books.
In no partical order:
- Earthsea, Ursula Leguin. Often mentioned. I didn't like the fourth book, Tehanu, though.
- Tolkien's middle earth, especially Silmarillion.
- Tanith Lee, Flat Earth series. Haven't seen this one mentioned. Anyone familiar with? Really like the sense of humour, the very coherent world she creates here.
- Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light. I read some of the earlier Amber books and I did like them, but I prefer Lord of Light. Top class.
I guess those are my top 4. Some other "honorable mentions":
- Mists of Avalon, Bradley and
- Terence White's The Once and Future King (both Arthurian fantasy).
- Herbert's Dune novels, especially the first book. I guess this is more SF than fantasy.
- In a way you might call mythological stories fantasy as well. That would bring me to include some Nordic and Hindu mythology: Völuspá, Edda, Mahabharata. Anyone seen Peter Brook's Mahabharata (televised)? Love it.
- Harry Potter
This is all by heart, I'm sure I'm forgetting some big ones. I'll check my books.