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I am sometimes such an idiot.

The driver's side door on our van needs two hands to open, as it is slowly coming off its hinges. So I have been putting my wallet on the roof while I open the door. Well, I did so today, and drove off with it on the roof of the van. This was at home, and Hyperception was outside sweeping the driveway.

I arrived at my destination ten minutes later and realized what I did. I texted him, but he didn't have his phone on him, so I returned home right away.

Hyperception had no idea I had done such, and there is no sign of my wallet. So now I am calling all credit card and bank card issuers, canceling those cards. I'll need to go to drivers licenses tomorrow for a replacement license, and who knows what all else.
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One very small comfort...Good on you for having the foresight to have a record of all those card numbers and the associated toll-free customer service lines, so as to facilitate making those cancellation calls.
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Savor Dam wrote:Good on you for having the foresight to have a record of all those card numbers and the associated toll-free customer service lines, so as to facilitate making those cancellation calls.
Well...
It would be nice to take credit for that, but that is one nice thing about online services. My bank, Sam's Club, and the credit card banks all had online access that I have used for making payments. I merely signed in for each account and searched for how one reported a lost/stolen card and since I was signed in my account information/card numbers were right there...
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That sucks, Menolly. What a hassle. :(
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I am going to post this here because if I put it in the Tank I will be annihilated. I have to get this off my mind. Regarding the death of Bin Laden. I have lived with some of the repercussions of 911 for the last 10 years. I recognize that the death of this man was necessary and important. BUT I think it is wrong to celebrate his death. I think dancing in the streets, jubilation degrades us as a society. It dehumanizes the act of taking a life, no matter how deplorable the life. We are not the uncivilized people that we saw dancing and celebrating the fall of the towers.

The taking of this man's life should be a time of reflection, not a time of celebration.

This whole thing has shook me up.
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I agree, this jingo crap has to stop one of these days--I almost think everything going on in the world right now is pedestrian BS anyway. Time for the world to get up, move on and grow up.
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People in the tank are saying the exact same thing about celebrating it, so don't know why you think you'd be "annihilated".
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Murrin wrote:People in the tank are saying the exact same thing about celebrating it, so don't know why you think you'd be "annihilated".
that's good to know. My apologies, I stand corrected.
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It is a lesson straight out of the Passover haggadah, which we just read a few weeks ago at the start of the holiday.

[quote="in the "Haggadah for the American Family" it is"]Judaism regards all men as children of G-d, even enemies who seek to destroy our people.
When, for the sake of our welfare, they met with suffering and death, we mourn their loss and express sorrow over their destruction.
A full cup is the symbol of complete joy. Though we celebrate the triumph of our sacred cause, our happiness is not complete so long as others had to be sacrificed for its sake. We shall, therefore, diminish the wines in our cups, as we recall the plagues visited upon the Egyptians, to give expression to our sorrow over the losses each plague exacted. We now recite the list of Ten Plagues, pouring off wine as each one is recited.[/quote]
Similar ceremonies are part of every haggadah for the traditional Passover service. HaShem accepts whatever path someone chooses to follow as their Truth; s/he cares not which one speaks to each of us. S/he loves us all.

The Talmudic sages go on to say that Moses sister, Miriam, was later struck with leprosy for singing and dancing when she saw the Egyptians drowned by the collapsing of the divided sea. HaShem wants us to learn this lesson: Celebrating the death of ones enemy in such a way is dehumanizing. Your instincts are True, lorin. Never fear to express them.
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While I do not disagree with that sentiment, I guess I am not ready to say that The All accepts and loves even so hateful a path as that which OBL chose and espoused.

Cain, he was a child of G-d...but a wayward one and his path was not smiled upon. He returns to The All at a place further removed from the source than when he came to this plane.
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Savor Dam wrote:While I do not disagree with that sentiment, I guess I am not ready to say that The All accepts and loves even so hateful a path as that which OBL chose and espoused.
Which sentiment don't you agree with, DL?

For me, being a non religious person, or perhaps more spiritually nonreligious, it is not about OBL, it is about me, my humanity and my respect for life and the taking of life. Every inappropriate reaction to death and suffering chips away at my humanity.

I believe in the death penalty, I believe in OBL's death, but I believe in not devaluing the action. I just refinished Night, by Elie Weisel so this came at a very appropriate time.
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On an intellectual level I disagree with the death penalty, but in a practical sense it doesn't impact me and I'm not too concerned that he died in a firefight rather than having a trial.
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My apologies for not being clear by quoting what my post was in reference to, lorin. Here is the specific context of what I was not sure I completely agreed with:
Menolly wrote:HaShem accepts whatever path someone chooses to follow as their Truth; s/he cares not which one speaks to each of us. S/he loves us all.
I am in total accord with what you had to say, and with the balance of what Menolly wrote. Only in the section quoted above do I have any disagreement...and that is only a matter of interpretation. The rest of my post explains what I believe, which is a bit different than what Menolly expressed.
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Let me put a ray of sunshine on this convo.... I made homemade chicken salad with grilled chicken breast and strawberry summer cake, the kind with jello, white cake, homemade whip cream and cooked vanilla pudding and fresh strawberries. And I love you guys.
Now if I could just find a way to wear live bees as jewelry all the time.....

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Yum! We love you too!

One is tempted to paraphrase Homer Simpson in response to that...and many other Galley-posts-not-posted-in-the-Galley by Jenn:
In Homer's dialog it is wrote:I love you, [Jenn]. And it's not just the sex, it's the food preparation!
Disclaimer: I have never met Jenn in person (although it almost happened last January), much less having ever experienced her cooking...or any other delights.
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The first that I'd found out about what happened, though I didn't recognize it as such, was by someone celebrating.

I was watching a movie on the dvr last night when, with about twenty minutes left in the film I heard a number of firecrackers, including a couple of loud ones, go off somewhere in the neighborhood. I remember thinking to myself "Why's some asshole doing that at this time of night?". Then after the movie finished, I did some channel surfing and the first thing I saw on NBC was the news, about a twenty minutes before the President came on air.

As for the celebrating, Richard Roeper made some good points about it today, particularly the last one, since the crowd I saw in front of the White House was mostly young:
Too soon?

Before Obama even addressed the nation, the jokesters were already cracking wise. I saw a dozen variations on the “Trump wants to see the death certificate” routine.

Some celebrities were somber. Others immediately went for the humor.

Neil Patrick Harris: “Everyone is sitting around my living room, mouth agape. Thank you, Mr. President, for such an eloquent speech.”

Lady Gaga: “What a historical moment in the fight against hatred.”

Arnold Schwarzenegger: “Wherever you are, take a minute to say thank you to one of the brave heroes who serve our country.”

Jimmy Kimmel: “I really hope bin Laden didn’t get reincarnated as one of Mariah Carey’s babies.”

Patton Oswalt: “No matter how collected Obama is during his speech, he’s hearing LL Cool J’s ‘Mama Said Knock You Out’ blasting in his head.”

Jimmy Fallon: “Got bin Laden AND interrupted ‘Celebrity Apprentice’? Win for Obama all around.”

Too soon to make jokes? Nah. It doesn’t indicate any disrespect for the families who lost loved ones to bin Laden’s murderous ways. There’s a big difference between making jokes right after 9/11 and cracking snarky about bin Laden’s demise.

Same thing with the Sunday night rallies. The dancing and singing and chanting — how does that play around the world? Won’t that further incite our enemies who at that very moment were mourning bin Laden’s death?

Consider the 20-year-old college student who was whooping it up on Sunday night. In 2001, he was the 21st century equivalent of a 10-year-old who learned Hitler was the very definition of evil in the 1940s. For him, bin Laden was the real-world boogieman — the face of terrorism.

That he’d want to rush into the night to join with others celebrating the demise of that devil is perfectly understandable.
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lorin wrote:We are not the uncivilized people that we saw dancing and celebrating the fall of the towers.
Sadly, I think most of humanity is that way, regardless of the masks they wear.
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You may well be right, dAN...but kudos to lorin (et al) for aspiring to advance our better natures.
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I think our nature has little to do with bettering anything. I think our attempts at bettering ourselves go against our nature.
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First of all, I agree that the intentional taking of human life is never a cause for celebration.

Was bin Laden a horrible person who deserved to die? Probably.
Is the world a better place for his death? Again, most probably yes.

But that doesn't mean we should be dancing in the street about it. The fact that some people are sickens me... I'd like to think we're better than that.

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