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'Haunted' prehistoric sites (image heavy)

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(Please note that I'm not attempting to shake a thumb towards any specific religious beliefs here, suomenusko or christianity or otherwise, but mainly sharing experiences. It's up to everyone to interpret these according to their own world-views. I'm aware of the ongoing ghost story thread in Gendisc, but I felt this might fit the Close better...)

So I have a habit of visiting a fair deal of Nordic prehistoric sites, partially due to the areas often providing good hiking grounds and beautiful naturescapes. Over the years, I have grown to notice that such places tend to sit within a specific bubble of atmosphere incomparable to the surroundings. This may be a tad challenging for someone who has never experienced it themselves to grasp, yet the universal feeling of such a site is almost always the same. For one, something appears to study or stare at the visitor from a distance, sometimes causing them to spin around and only face the quiet trees. In some places, the unidentified presence may appear oppressive, even hostile, and in others it's merely a quiet, sometimes even a becalming effect in the background. Secondly, one may receive illogical chills or even feel that the temperature drops in certain spots, for instance just inside a ring of stones. Other oddments may include an unnatural hush in a previously lively stretch of woods, or a certain sensation of timelessness, as if the claw of civilization had deliberately been thwacked away. The last may well be entirely subjective, however.

This peculiarity applies mainly to barrows, living habitats, and some sacrificial stones from the Nordic Iron Age (500BC-1100AD) or Bronze Age back towards the Neolithic eras (500BC or older). I've included a few pictures.

Perused Hovgården (please see the included Wikipedia links for more comprehensive descriptions of the places, should they sound entirely unfamiliar) earlier this year, and parts of the associated Birka/Björkö island sometime earlier. Both harbored a markedly sinister ambiance, Björkö only around the massive burial mound area behind the old hill fort, Hovgården almost throughout, particularly around a disturbed barrow in the very middle. This is a teeming tourist trap during summertime, but on an April midday housed merely a few ravens cawing in the background. Maybe Huginn and Muninn desired to chase the lone Finnish bugger away. :P In another thread, I told about a fellow histrenactor from Poland with similar experiences in relation to Björkö. She began narrating on her own how she'd walked over the turf-covered cairns and felt as if multiple invisible gazes had followed her every step.

Ancient kingsbarrows stretching towards the left. The church is built directly upon a pagan temple.

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A view from the top of the fourth or fifth mound. The disturbed area right around the clump of bushes felt particularly haunted.

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One more image in my runestones thread.

Björkö grave grounds. Thunder was rolling in the background. Every single one of those small elevations stretching towards the horizon is a burial mound.

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Sammallahdenmäki, a megalithic cult area from the older Bronze Age, is probably the creepiest example I've come across in Finland. It's slightly difficult to access if you don't own a car: you may have to ride two or more long-distance buses to first arrive in the village of Lappi, then walk about 6km northwards before you can reach a sandy road leading to the woodland area the size of a few square kilometers. In spite of its Unesco World Heritage Site status, the place's thoroughly free and open-access all year round. If one wishes to enjoy silence and inspect the stone constructions at their leisure without hordes of tourists blocking the view, the best visiting time is late autumn before the accumulation of possibly tens of centimeters of snow, and when you may not necessarily bump into a single two-legged being on the forest paths. At that time of the year the sun does not bother to lift its lazy bum much above the treeline, however, so if clouds cover the skies, it will be quite gloomy in the woods even during high noon. Complete darkness may descend around 4pm.

I've travelled there four times now, and on every occasion the otherwordly sensations have crept in around the first long cairn called Kirkonlaattia ('Church floor'; the name derives itself from a local folk legend about a contest between giants and christians over the building of a church. According to it, the giants were driven away by the tolling of a bell the christians had erected as the first item of their project, and thus only a floor remained of the giantish fabrication.). Last year I took a friend there who had never before visited the site. After a while, she began peeking over her shoulder at random intervals, appearing somewhat uncomfortable. At one point--and before I had remarked upon the atmosphere--by a dug-up cairn, she told outright that she felt something menacing staring at her.

Kirkonlaattia

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Other cairns:

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A visible stone coffin

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Crude stone altar:

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Huilu longbarrow:

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Overall, I've met quite a few people who have either agreed or began talking on their own about these sensations in connection to various prehistoric sites (not necessarily Sammallahdenmäki).

I'd be interested to hear if anyone else here shares similar experiences. If you guys are interested, I'll post photos and descriptions of other relevant places. The only area with no known prehistoric landmarks and yet sporting the same uncanny atmosphere was a little park called Hellisgerði in Hafnarfjörður, Iceland. My friend concurred about the certain "Sammallahdenmäki-feeling", which has become a mundane term to address this phenomenon, after wandering amidst the lava formations. Locals tell it's inhabited by huldufólk. :)
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I so envy you!! I wish there was old stuff here to see!! I loved your pix in your runestone thread, too!

And I wish there was anything haunted here. I'd love to experience something like that!
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Thanks. :D You'll have to remedy your lack of Barrow-downs experiences by traveling to Scandinavia on your next trip abroad. ;)
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Hey Frostheart, these are awesome pics. They make me want to write.

Sorry, nothing more detailed to add, just wanted to say thanks for posting.
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Frostheart, when you visit these places, do you ever bring a little something along to appease the spirits of the place? Maybe they'd appreciate a small (alcoholic) offering. Or you could try just asking their permission to be there.

Some of these places do look pretty creepy. Particularly the barrows.

The last time I drove through southern Illinois, I felt like kicking myself. I drove right past a state park that features a bunch of Native American burial mounds and didn't realize it 'til I was well past it. :(
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Thanks, Shaun. :D

Ali:
Well, we endeavor to retain a certain level of respect and for instance keep noise to a minimum (camera sounds off, etc.) and move carefully on the cult areas; a friend of mine sometimes deposits wild berries or nuts into a cupstone* dent. Oftentimes these sites reside in nature reserves and thus leaving any kinds of solid objects there is forbidden by law, and so is any altering of the prehistoric relics themselves. (I know you didn't mean this, but mainly sharing general information. :)) I don't drink alcohol, so never have borne a bottle in a pocket.

(Too bad about the Native American site; would love to see one of those myself someday. :))

Yes, they may possess their creepy edge, but otherwise both are situated on very calm rural areas. I drank a cup of coffee after clambering out of the storm (you can see it's snowing almost sideways in the last Hovgården image) in a tiny grocery store some distance past the church. Lappi also sports a lovely little honey shop selling Finnish specialties like rosebay willowherb or lingonberry honey. :D


The case of the hostility/geniality of the sensations is curious: There's a very beautiful old hill fort that has been utilized as a combined defense post and sacrificial site since the younger Bronze Age in Kaarina, Finland. I love that place due to its gorgeous views and soothing atmosphere. Yes, the feeling of being observed by invisible gazes always slams into the background when the old trodden path up to the remnants of the defense wall is approached, but it never has seemed sinister to me, on the very contrary. I once recommended this place as an interesting tidbit of local prehistory to an acquaintance of mine from the histrenacting circles, but he experienced the very opposite. He'd climbed up there alone, and very awkwardly told later he'd never sensed anything like that before: an oppressive wrathful something seemed to loom over the whole place (his words), which appeared so disquieting that he had to leave the site quite quickly. The feeling dissolved somewhere past the only track to the top. He'd driven there a second time also to see if the feeling had changed or if he might have had imagined it, but the whole effect returned.

Otherwise, the Huttala hill fort harbors a tiny ruin of a defense wall's base (they used to have a low dry stone wall, upon which a higher wooden structure was erected), a few crude stone altars, some sacrificing cups cut near the cliff edges, and apparently something called etelänseitakivi ('southern Seita stone'). Ancient Finns, and the Saami even later, used to worship boulders shaped like humans or animals.

The Seita stone's slightly difficult to portray in a photo due to the lack of depth, but it looks like a human head and stares straight into the south, where the waterline used to be still during the Iron Age.

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The other side's entirely flat and seems as if it might've been worked with tools.

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A cupstone raised on one side.

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Some views from the top:

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*If the concept of a cupstone is unfamiliar: Finns used to carve round, hollow cups into smooth, natural rocks or visible patches of bedrock for sacrificial offerings. They were often situated beside grave grounds and fields, sometimes they can be discovered upon hill forts. Food, drink, and grain were placed within as gifts possibly for Pekko (fertility god), Ukko/Ilmarinen (chief sky god), and the ancestors. Rainwater that had gathered in the cups was believed to possess healing powers. Many such stones were in regular use still during the early 20th century, especially in Eastern Finland or Karelia. One can see something of a revival of the tradition especially in the Southern Finland these days.

A cupstone:

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As another example of a 'neutral' place (and where that external sensation remains present), Anundshög in Västerås Sweden, and very much recommended for prehistory enthusiasts:

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(Hmm looks like this thread's fast turning into an explanation about ancient Finnish beliefs.)
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Frostheart wrote:(Hmm looks like this thread's fast turning into an explanation about ancient Finnish beliefs.)
That's okay. I'm finding it very interesting. 8)

Interesting that different people feel different emotions at the same site. Altho I wonder whether your re-enactor friend had a different experience because the local spirits prefer women and see men as a threat. :lol:

I love the cupstones, and the face. Very cool!
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Fascinating. Too bad the predominant feeling seems to be of unease. I've been to Native American burial mounds and felt sadness but rest as the predominant feeling. Been to mass graves of Nigerians killed in tribal wars (infants to old men) and felt deep sadness, like a black hole. Kings are perhaps less able to let go of their anger, betrayal, downfall... May the dead rest in peace.
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Gorgous photos. I'd love to see those sites in person.

F&F,

There are "Indian Mounds" that are very ancient all over North America. They don' have the stone circles but they do have a similar sense of gravitas.
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Don't know how I missed your post, Ser. I should see if any are in NY. Would be great!
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