peter the barsteward wrote:Yes - thats the one Iolanthe - was that the same thing as the 'big face' episode I seem to recall.
That took place later, in the Illearth Stone. The Lords show Covenant the rock garden on their way to the restored Trothgard (I think that was its name. The tree city next to Revelstone where they had a center of learning)
The Lords think this garden is a symbol of hope and optimism but Covenant ruins their mood by telling them a story about a woman from the leprosarium that basically says blind optimism is grotesque and self destructive.
Yes, I think so. I think that was in the last of the 1st chronicles when the company were on their way to Revelwood? They climbed up and looked down on a face made of stones.
[edit] Pipped at the post!
I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!
"I must state plainly, Linden, that you have become wondrous in my sight."
Vraith wrote:Elena may, on the surface, appear to not be of the Unfettered psychology...yet is it not her deep singularity of purpose that leads to her bad end? What if, instead of becoming High Lord in following her "bliss," she'd done the more appropriate thing, and taken the rites of Unfettering?
Is this a hint at the Unfettered Healer of Morinmoss?
She knitted together Covenant's broken ankle. A form of marrowmeld?
This particular healer appeared to take onto herself the injury of the person she was going to heal - she broke her own ankle to replicate Covenant's injury. When she was regularly healing the family and friends of the person to be healed would look after her while she was suffering. She also attempted to tackle Covenant's mind after he had eaten aba.......... the yellow flowers. Was it ever explained exactly how she did heal Covenant?
I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!
"I must state plainly, Linden, that you have become wondrous in my sight."
Iolanthe wrote:Was it ever explained exactly how she did heal Covenant?
Yes...but don't ask me how. I've tried and just can't get my mind to unravel the mindbending twists and turns in the story of The Power That Preserves.
Well, KK and Io, in reverse order...it isn't explained in detail/blow-by-blow/metaphysically how she did it [but in many ways, except with certain Linden things, is more explicit than many other procedures].
Yea, she takes the harm onto/into her own person, heals by some mix of correspondence and empathy/sympathy/identity.
Which leads to yes, KK, it is similar though I hadn't thought of it consciously/particularly in relation to that healer...just that the Unfettered were, generally, deeper, specialists, focused, and peculiar. Elena needed the power of command to bring back and demand from Kevin...but suppose she'd taken another way. Studied, talked, learned, explored, taken [in a way] death into herself [correspondence, empathy, sympathy, identity].
Different books, different story, of course...but I think it matters because like the marrowmeld talent it shows she had real choices/potentials other than being totally the tool/victim of her mental wound. [and because even the wisest...the rhany importantly...make mistakes despite memories of the past, current power, and future vision.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler] the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass. "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
Why would a healer live hidden away in the depths of Morinmoss? This makes no sense - unless she was an animal healer. Morinmoss had to be a far more dangerous place with Caer-Caveral as the Forestal.
So if the unfettered one was performing marrowmeld to heal Covenant, and Elena was the only one in the Land to possess the art of marrowmeld, wouldn't this make Elena and the Healer one and the same person?
I know there are lots of contradictions to be found here, yet something deeply alluring seems to be taking place; as an example in the two following extracts:
Chapter 12 Amanabhavam
As he swallowed the grass...a convulsion came over him, and he collapsed into a rigid fetal position while raw power raged through his viens.
Chapter 13 The Healer
[The healer]...stepped closer to him and jabbed her rigid fingers into his stomach.
Religious recluse, retired healer, yet she was still a marrowmelder!
Elena's last marrowmeld work was the sculpture of a head and face that resembled both Covenant and Bannor.
Bannor even reminded Covenant of this, at The Colossus of the Fall, before he left the Upper Land.
The sculpture was made of four bones!
Could this mean that Elena and Morin were taken into account by High Lord Mhoram in his study of the marrowmeld work?
I'm sure there's a connection here that someone can make more sense from than I can.
KK, in case I never said this before, I get lots of enjoyment from the quirky/idiosyncratic things you post.
I'm pretty sure [if my memory is serving me as it should...which may not be so, it can't even seem to provide consistently tasty tea over time] the last couple are answered.
Healer is in Morinmoss cuz her talent/path just plain HURTS too much, so she's old, worn-out, and hoping for reprieve...cuz she doesn't simply heal others...first she suffers fully from the affliction.
How many open-heart surgeries do you think would be performed if the surgeon first had to suffer the pain and disease that made surgery necessary, then "cure" it by performing the surgery on him/her self?
And healer isn't a marrowmelder. Marrowmeld is done with dead remains. Living bone gets better by making more bone...the healer makes the process faster/aids the natural function.
There IS a connection, though...the potentials we make actual [and the prices we pay] for following our talents/visions/capacities without shirking or compromising.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler] the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass. "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
Vraith wrote:KK, in case I never said this before, I get lots of enjoyment from the quirky/idiosyncratic things you post.
I'm pretty sure [if my memory is serving me as it should...which may not be so, it can't even seem to provide consistently tasty tea over time] the last couple are answered.
Healer is in Morinmoss cuz her talent/path just plain HURTS too much, so she's old, worn-out, and hoping for reprieve...cuz she doesn't simply heal others...first she suffers fully from the affliction.
How many open-heart surgeries do you think would be performed if the surgeon first had to suffer the pain and disease that made surgery necessary, then "cure" it by performing the surgery on him/her self?
And healer isn't a marrowmelder. Marrowmeld is done with dead remains. Living bone gets better by making more bone...the healer makes the process faster/aids the natural function.
There IS a connection, though...the potentials we make actual [and the prices we pay] for following our talents/visions/capacities without shirking or compromising.
There's that chunky paragraph just before she brings the stone down on her ankle, which uses the terms: the link of sight between her attention and his pain; binding them together; gradually uniting; they became like one being, annealed of isolation, complete.
It reads like marrowmelding to me.
But then looking up the definition of marrow, and meld, I guess we're saying the same thing. I saw this: Personal liberty is the marrow of the American tradition — Clinton Rossiter.
So I suppose the Healer is giving Covenant more than just medicinal healing, she's giving him backbone as well.
It's interesting to note that when events coincide and collide between Mhoram and Satanfist, Elena and Covenant, SRD uses the terms:
- The wind fluttered in the air like a wounded bird
- The wind lurched as if the eruption of wild magic were an arrow in it's bosom
Krazy Kat wrote: which uses the terms: the link of sight between her attention and his pain; binding them together; gradually uniting; they became like one being, annealed of isolation, complete.
It reads like marrowmelding to me.
Heh...perfect example of why I enjoy and yet disagree!!
It's like sonnets. The structure/forms matter, make parallels, connect...maybe even [depending on circumstances] communicate with each other.
They also negate in various ways, in particulars and generalities. [sometimes negate themselves a bit...especially the good ones.]
Holistic inclusion and specific identity have a love/hate relationship...heh...which produces interest/entertainment for the "observer."
Maybe better: a wheel and a road tend towards the same goal. But any relation there is is NOT in method/process of eaches creation...they are what they are, but purpose is a level or two higher and techniques for each to achieve semi-independent.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler] the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass. "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
