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Bleh you people. :P So fixed some links to them both, no need to have google adventures. Still don't know if this is a good idea, these wallow in abysmal karma. Fever must've softened my skull or something. (Why resurrect this thread now, though? :? Not like I inquired about the hell-levels yesterday...)

But, seriously, WF, it's been two years. :P :P Do take that 5-min break from the Tank.
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Zorm / Frostheart /__ wrote:Why resurrect this thread now, though?
Since I was the one who bumped the thread after ten months, that question goes to me...and the answer is that after seeing a smattering of posts from you crop up elsewhere on the the Watch recently, I decided to fish a bit for more posts.

I apologize for not responding to the PM you sent last summer after your departure. It was too soon...for you, for me, and for the Watch. I appreciate what you said there, despite not agreeing with how you departed.

I want, the Watch wants, you to come back...and to remain present. That is why this thread has resurfaced. Simple as that.

Thank you for restoring the message and links at the top of the thread!
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While, for purely personal reasons, I do not read fan-fic or view visual renderings of scenes or characters, I really appreciate the work and effort that goes into them. They show great appreciation for SRD's work and build on and enrich it.

Thanks to all who put their time and energy into it!

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Thanks, gourd/SD. Little steps, little steps. ;) Have to see that the bad karma doesn't backfire again (And if I can get some serious feedback on this revision and the other story after asking quarter a hundred times. I don't know why I always have such difficulties with this.).
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Frosty-Zormy, glad to see you here again :D

And I won't really claim bad karma for this, it's not like there are hordes of fanfiction admirers on the Watch, many people don't really take that genre, and SRD's works really don't appear to ask for it much, though if attempts are made... well, you know :)

Wayfriend, perhaps it could be easier to do this in parts, writing down a large piece is often a scary thought, commenting a bit to start and then adding to that might brighten it up.
Savor Dam wrote:Effy's wiki site sure make that easier!
Thanks for the appreciation, though it's more like Frosty's and Effy's wiki. And did you mention you can leave comments below the pages? Comments about the wiki are pretty hard to find elsewhere, and a few words about the contents or some links found and added could be really appreciated.
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I have read half of Chapter 1 (up to the ***). I love the feel that you have created. The first few paragraphs took some adjusting for me to get into the swing of it, but once that was accomplished, it has been a very entertaining read! It has a very impressive emotional impact. Crookback's recollection of Gnarlfist and the repercussions really pack a punch.

My favourite line so far:
Now he attempted to cover himself with his drinking horn, but the task proved as successful as trying to stuff a turnip into a thimble
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Age of miracles isn't over; someone's critting the revision! 8O :lol: (I hope *** wasn't a swearword.) Glad you find the emotional effect...well...effective. I adjusted the tone in a couple of places as the original was apparently too cold and grim. I'll write more when I'm not relying on a wlan/mobile combo, but thanks for the comment. :D
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Well, I have finished it, and really, I loved it!

I have read through this thread and I have to respectfully disagree with Effy regarding the tone of this piece. I'm currently rereading the 2nd Chronicles, and they're excruciating in their morbidity, which only makes it more satisfying in the end. Your story has an appropriate feel as to the state of Pitchwife's anguish. I wouldn't change it at all - the use of words and sentences suits the feel of a Giantish tale, and the way that Gossamer and Pitchwife work through their issues and prevail is extremely touching and totally satisfying.

You have managed to bring both points of view forward, and both are totally plausible - Pitchwife's guilt, rue and regret - and Mourn's feeling of being shunned by her heroes. The 2nd Chrons are still fresh in my mind, so I remember Pitchwife's retelling of the story to Linden well. I think you have created a wonderful story out of very little background information.

Some of your comparisons (metaphors/similes - I can never remember what they're called) are priceless and serve to lighten the tone momentarily whilst not interrupting the flow of the story. I personally don't think that illustrations are necessary because the descriptions allow for placement within the story effectively.
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Well, I have a proper workstation at my disposal again.

Glad you liked it, Stevie, thanks for reading. :D I disagree with Effy as well when it comes to significant alterations to the grim mood; in my opinion a hurt/comfort tale becomes more effective if you first capsize bucketfuls of thick, sticky angst over the reader and then let passions flare up. And, indeed, the 2nd chrons ooze with distilled woe; no character is saved from its pervasive presence. However, all of the in-topic talk amid Twilight and Dante and Soviet cartoons and so forth relate to revision #1 (this is #2), and the little tweaks I did a year back alter the behavior of the Giants in general, plus while some of the conclusion was left to the reader to decide, now it’s explicit that a couple of drowsy kisses did not suffice between Mourn and Pitchwife. :twisted:

I think simile and metaphor are interchangeable. People may educate me on this, however.
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I found myself empathising with Crookback - the mood made sense. I think it was SRD that said that a story is not interesting (to him) unless the characters go through a lot, and also go through change. There is no satisfaction in redemption if they haven't first been through a world of hardship.

Hence why I really liked your story, because it conveyed that feeling of guilt, devastation, regret, failure and loss effectively. I felt Crookback's pain, so to discover the joy and love from that deep abyss - it was very satisfying!

We could talk about choice of words, sentence structure etc, and it may hamper some people's experience if it bothers them whilst reading (personally it didn't bother me because once I immersed myself in the story, the Giantish style enhanced the experience). I'm sure you'll take comments on board, but SRD never seems too concerned about his use of words in the Chronicles - some words were unconventionally used, but seemed to fit the occasion. I think this is true of your story too. My advice, which is not really advice but more my opinion, is to listen and ponder other people's critiques and maybe even make some adjustments if they seem right to you, but just do what you feel is best in the end. :D It worked for me!

The pacing was also fine from my point of view. Maybe that's a personal thing, but I do like to picture a scene, and a descriptive scene helps my reading experience (I like Charles Dickens, so that may explain a lot :lol: ). It's also why it takes me a lot longer to get through a book than others - I'm a slow reader, but I also like to understand everything I'm reading - not necessarily all the words, but the scene that is taking place at the time. If you're going to tell a Giantish tale, then there's no point in rushing through scenes!
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Thanks! :D Glad to hear that about the pacing and language. As for crits, it’s impossible to satisfy everyone, so that’s my strategy as well: Apart from actual grammar or spelling errors and stylistic pratfalls that scream like a hog with thistles shoved up its bum, I select suggestions here and there. Sometimes, those require a tad of seasoning (or the reawakening of inspiration) before actual implementation. To some, the “Giantish style” may work, to some it won’t, and someone did judge it too difficult. Nevertheless, one must retain a semblance of the original: Pitchwife abruptly chattering like a matured rap artist would seem quite improper next to the original that has gobbled an entire library’s worth of dictionary-thesauri. ;)


SRD has it quite right, and the emotional wringer he slams his characters into makes them rather more human and unforgettable than the fifteen zillion bland orphan farmboy clones fantasy readers must elbow their way through.

Well, I first contemplated which person’s point of view to use--Pitchwife or Gossamer’s--and, somewhat sadistically, chose the cripple as he provided more fertile ground for both emotional and bodily distress. :P I just wish I’d gotten relevant feedback when both the plot and the mood still lingered fresh in my mind; when I began editing this for the second time, I had to mentally kick myself into a suitable mirebuddle of glumness by typing a practice piece (With Rime Coldspray as the protagonist; this one has never gone through external proofing. Have asked for help a couple of times as well...).

I prefer a descriptive writing style over minimalism as well, as long as it doesn’t overthrow the plot itself, as occurred to Robert Jordan. Been over fifteen years since I read Dickens, however, and all of those were Finnish translations. Anyhow, I also depict plotlines as a kind of intracranial movie complete with individual voices (for some reason, my Pitchwife always had a deep, rolling Scottish accent), so indeed, why rush? :D
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I'll get to the practice piece sometime :D
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Re-read Fatal Revenant first. :D It's tied to a chapter bearing the same name.
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Yeah that's a good idea. I'm currently half way through White Gold Wielder so I won't get to it straight away... But once I've read that chapter, I'll read it!
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:D

I never managed to finish it, however.
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Posted from the other thread:
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Frostheart Grueburn wrote:Not to sound disheartening, Eff, but I don't think most people here are interested in this sort of thing at all. :/ I don't know if the situation was different two years or so ago, but now it's very, very difficult to get even one or two readers, not to mention feedback. My bigger project went downhill from the start. Quarter a year of crickets. Had to ask for help over half a dozen times. Eventually culminated into name-calling. This sort of experience doesn't encourage to try again, no matter how many ideas one might have. Nor does it help overcome potential confidence problems.

People may occasionally look at pictures, but getting concrit even on them has become difficult lately. You can count those taking part in the dissections with one and a half hands, and I gather they were supposed to be one of the 'bigger events' here.
I have been meaning to read a lot of things here, but it's hard to find the time. My biggest passion is music and that tends to be what I do in preference to reading. I often read in the hour or less before I sleep, but it's been hard to delve into the works of anyone on this board.

It intrigued me to see that you had written something, as I have liked your artwork and it made me wonder what you had written. I almost feel like I should apologize to anyone who had already posted links to their work and I had seen it, as I have pushed yours to the front of the line.

Anyway, I read it and overall I like it. You asked for feedback, so here's some:

The flow is good, and the shorter paragraphs suit the story well.

There are some odd things I noticed, like the stuttering start of sentences which I didn't see in Donaldson's work and seems a little out of place. Also, the use of the word "bloody" seemed strange coming out of a giant's mouth.

I like the attention to detail as you don't overdescribe anything, but use a good amount of adjectives to create enough of the detail.

I didn't think it was soppy at all, and I think the relatively small amount that Donaldson wrote about the pair of them hints at much of what you have written. I don't think you veered from his hints of the private nature of their relationship.

Of course, I haven't read the Final Chronicles, so there could be things I'm missing, so judge my comments on only having read about giants in the First and Second Chronicles.
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Post by Frostheart Grueburn »

Right! Forgot about this. Glad it didn't feel soppy. :lol:

Endeavored to remain as close to canon as feasible. I've yanked a few details from the 3rd Chronicles, such as the existence of an Ironhand (it was already established in TWL that the Swordmainnir numbered more than one and represented a group of elite warriors), etc.

"Bloody" too British? ;) They do in fact swear a damn lot, in particular the dainty, prim, sword-swinging Giantesses, albeit that any specific wordings usually become lumped within "she muttered Giantish profanities", "Stonemaged listed a series of offenses to Bluntfist's parents", and so forth.

What's a "stuttering start"? Note that I've never fully attempted to mimic SRD's style, and that would be impossible with Finglish in any case.
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