Out damned Donaldson, Out!

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Out damned Donaldson, Out!

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The previous books of the Last Chrons appeared to have a Sly Shakespearean reference somewhere in the first 100 pages or less. Past Dissections show what I had found and got a hoot out of. They could be imagined or not but the pun or entendre' seemed fitting in every case. So, with TLD , the Shakespeare reference I started looking for in earnest after the first read. Nothing easy was laying at the surface. There may be one but I didn't see it.

Then, just minutes ago, I went on a on-line search for old and archaic english dictionary. I was having contradictions in definitions of " Betimes"..as used in the First Chapter, titled" Betimes Some Wonder.."..The word means early, or before the current,,or ,on occasion. I'm liking the " on occasion" usage for the title but the time of early/ before the current, element strongly suggests a good fit as well for the author's intent..Then I hit on google one more time for " betimes...and There It Was...Shakespeare in my face,,laughing his arse off..Betimes MacBeth...For real..its a freekin variety of Tomato..Its a hardy breed, handles the cold very well.....BETIMES MACBETH..!!!!!!....

Donaldson's humor has already spawned comments in discussion of TLD,,and I agreed with Frost's lament that there should be more....But..BETIMES MACBETH!!!!!?????...I'm not sure I could survive much more of that, so it is with great trepidation that I even open my brain to such possibility..Betimes Macbeth..yes..it is true....be careful for what you google for..you just may get it..

Yet,,I have to wonder...with these Macbeth references ( i think the Shakespeare references in Runes and Fatal were definitely from MacBeth , i don't recall about Against), but..here is a question...Is The Last Chrons the inverse or inside out upside down version of MacBeth? Lady MacBeth was the anti-thesis of Mother, Wifey, Womanhood. Linden comes off as the extreme opposite...and thats the easy part....BETIMES MACBETH!!!...no shame, no shame at all.
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Aroint thee, THOOLAH!
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HAAA!!..and like a writer without a Tale, I'll....DOH!
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Betimes with tomatos and mayhap melons
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Never heard of mayhap melons before.
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I mayhap betimes!

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Thou churlish pulp-brained clod-fodder!
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I seem to be missing something here. I'm saying Linden Avery is the opposite of Lady MacBeth. I thought that would be perceived as a good since Lady M was the evil driving force prompting Macky to come back to town. I had no abodement of being THOOLAH and thus I suppose, clod fodder. ..Lady MacBeth is motivated by greed for power, position, being the Queen. Linden is motivated by Love...Lady M can't remove the blood stains from her memory and, hopefully you are already there, Linden can't get the grass stains out of her jeans. Lady M kills..Linden brings back from the dead..sure , she wipes out a whole lot of nasty things, but human characters,,she brings back from the dead or from the brink of death..even forsaking slaughter by the end. Linden sure looks the opposite of Lady MacBeth. I suppose there are more..one tho..strikes me as peculiar..Lady MacBeth dies, commits suicide, off stage. The audience doesn't get to see her demise.As one critic put it, Shakespeare did not give Lady M even that much respect, to die on stage. Linden rises into the heights with SHMNBN,,and the next we see her,,they are smacking down MacFoul...there is an unseen transition there as well.....???...oh schitt..the story teller becomes the 3 witches.
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I surmise Wayfiend is referring to Mayhap Melon and his habits to include nano-sized subliminal messages about THOOLAH in his posts. ;)

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I didn't say thank you...forgive me Frost . Thanks for setting me straight on that. Lady MacBeth's sleep walking scene has her afraid of the dark..and Linden has a fear of the unknown, the dark, as well..Lady MacBeth revisits previous scenes while in her Sleep Walking Dream State...And Linden , in her dream of chapter 2,,revisits a place she can longer return to either, her living room.
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omg...omg!...OMG...OMG!!!!....I just found a connection to...you might want to be sitting down for this..its right up there with Betimes Macbeth..okay, maybe a bit more of a stretch ...but its there...yea..and if its real,,intended by Donaldson,,as I believe..just as good as Betimes Macbeth...Yea,,get this,,omg.. Dean Wormer...c'mon, i kno you can do it without google,,think Animal House..yea..that Dean WORMER...LMAO...pg 60 2nd to last paragraph..the Story Teller goes off the cliff, envisions with passion a rant by TC that is right out of Belushi's,,"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? " rant. And from that its easy to connect up to Wormer and jump to The Worm...TC as Bluto Butarski going after Dean WORMER....ooowww, I think I hurt myself on this one..
If she withdrew from exaltation, she would be forced to think- And every thought led to fear and contradictions; to dilemmas for which she was unprepared.
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