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Yes, and Ford got stuck with a big chunk of them.Cagliostro wrote: Wars: The pace at which they deliver lines. Stupid Lucas gets in the way of this several times, and frequently takes me out of the moment because they seem so unnaturally delivering the lines too fast.
Sorry, man, I have to disagree that Luke was being whiny here. He has just been beaten and brutalized by Vader. His whole world is then turned upside down. He was in terrible pain, and terribly confused. His behavior in that scene seems natural enough to me.Empire: Luke in extra-whine mode after his hand is cut off. To quote, I think, a Simpsons episode, "I want white hot rage and you're giving me a hissy fit."
At first, Vader looks ruthless and badass when he does it, but I agree it's pretty dumb in hindsight. Needa in particular seemed like a competent, loyal and honest officer - just the kind of person that would boost morale in the Empire's fleet. Oh well, after all, it was the "evil" Empire, so I guess Needa just didn't look at the fine print when he signed up. Still, Vader was an idiot for killing him.Empire: Darth Vader on an underling killing spree. It was played for humor, but I always found it kinda dumb.
I could not agree more forcefully without bursting a vein. Ford sleepwalked through the movie. Han should have died.Jedi: Harrison Ford seemed really over it. Han being my favorite character, I was majorly annoyed with his character throughout this movie. His worst lines are scattered throughout, including some "act casual" line (I can't remember it exactly) that seemed a little too pop culture saying of the day for my tastes, and kicks me out of the other world created. There were only a couple moments that I bought his performance throughout. I almost wished he had died - it would have had more emotional impact than this bored version of him.
I've read the behind-the-scenes stuff on why Lucas made Leia into Luke's sister, and I sympathize with him, but I also agree that it's too soap-ish and convenient.Jedi: Leia being Luke's sister. Too soap opera-y. Not to mention creepy from the scenes we saw in the first two movies. But also too damn convenient for Han to then have no competition, thus defanging him all the more.
Oh yes, I was really disappointed by this, too.Jedi: No more training scenes. Luke isn't a Jedi yet in Empire, and he will return to continue his training. Oh, no more training is necessary all of sudden. What a running-time conscious decision. Bah!
Jedi: Yoda doesn't seem as well put together. His eyes cross a few times during some tender moments that bug me every time.
Jedi: Boba Fett dies like a bitch.
Seriously good point.Jedi: The Ewoks. I don't object to them on principle; I just wish they weren't played as clowns so much. Too many scenes played for humor with them. If they would have played them completely straight, I think the audience would have been on their side considerably more. Look at Chewbacca - he is a strong character that isn't played for humor much. They gave him the respect he deserved. I think Wicket was played fairly straight, but a lot of others were not, especially during the battle scenes with the Empire. That's my opinion of what killed 'em.
I'm very fond of Mark Hamill, though it sounds like I'm not from the comments posted. His inexperience shows here and there throughout the first three, and I've always felt this scene was his biggest failure, unfortunately. I always cringe a bit at his line delivery in these spots. It's not wooden or anything like that - just a bit too much. I'd love for him to rerecord these scenes today, as I have a lot of respect for his voicework these days.matrixman wrote:Sorry, man, I have to disagree that Luke was being whiny here. He has just been beaten and brutalized by Vader. His whole world is then turned upside down. He was in terrible pain, and terribly confused. His behavior in that scene seems natural enough to me.Empire: Luke in extra-whine mode after his hand is cut off. To quote, I think, a Simpsons episode, "I want white hot rage and you're giving me a hissy fit."
Why did Lucas make Leia into Luke's sister? I don't know that I ever got the behind-the-scenes on this.matrixman wrote:I've read the behind-the-scenes stuff on why Lucas made Leia into Luke's sister, and I sympathize with him, but I also agree that it's too soap-ish and convenient.Jedi: Leia being Luke's sister. Too soap opera-y. Not to mention creepy from the scenes we saw in the first two movies. But also too damn convenient for Han to then have no competition, thus defanging him all the more.
Y'know, I did get pretty far into that (and still have a copy on the hard drive here at work), but I didn't make it to chapter 7, as I don't remember reading anything relating to Return of the Jedi. Once I forgot where I was, I stopped reading. I may have to try to find where I left off after all. Thanks for the info.matrixman wrote:Sorry, Cag, I thought you had read The Secret History of Star Wars.
I don't want to repeat stuff that you may have already come across in the book. If you didn't get that far into it, the info about Luke and Leia is primarily on page 239 (Chapter 7: Demons and Angels).
The short version: By the time Empire had wrapped up production, Lucas was burnt out on Star Wars. He scuttled his pursuit of a sequel trilogy (what would have been Episodes VII - IX) and decided to tie up everything in Jedi. One of the things that was supposed to have been explored in the sequel trilogy was the "Other" that Yoda had mentioned in Empire. But having committed himself to only one more SW film, Lucas scrambled to find a way to fit this "Other" into the story, because he felt obligated to the fans to reveal who this "Other" was. He didn't want to introduce a new Jedi Knight all of a sudden - that would have diminished Luke's importance. So Lucas went for a pre-existing character as the "Other." And making Leia both the "Other" and Luke's sister was the best option. Because it allowed Lucas to use a twin sister subplot from an early draft of Empire; it would put a definitive end to the Han-Leia-Luke love triangle; and it would make Leia more credible as another Jedi "hope" if she was biologically related to the most powerful Force-using family in the universe.
It wasn't till I read Lewis's "Perelandra" that I got that there really are proper objects for hate. Some things SHOULD be hated, and it is a virtue to hate them.Cagliostro wrote:with all the Ewok hating going on