'We have broken speed of light'

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If he makes a journey, he must have left his starting point, right? Then, experiencing time, he travels a huge circle back to where he left. Time passes for him upon the journey, even if it doesn't pass externally. Therefore for him, it is later than when he left, even if it isn't for the universe. If he is physically still present at the starting point / destination, he couldn't have left, therefore couldn't have travelled back.

Haha, damn, I'm not explaining this well at all.

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[Loredoctor]

If he makes a journey, he must have left his starting point, right? Then, experiencing time, he travels a huge circle back to where he left. Time passes for him upon the journey, even if it doesn't pass externally. Therefore for him, it is later than when he left, even if it isn't for the universe. If he is physically still present at the starting point / destination, he couldn't have left, therefore couldn't have travelled back.

Haha, damn, I'm not explaining this well at all.

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But if he travelled back before he left, then he would be physically present.

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But then he wouldn't have left yet, and therefore couldn't be "back."

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[Loredoctor]

But then he wouldn't have left yet, and therefore couldn't be "back."

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But he left in the future to travel back further in time.

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Ah, paradox. I was thinking in a more prosaic way than time travel per se...rather the theoretical assumption of actually being able to travel faster than light, than the actual moving through time.

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Latest "faster than the speed of light" claims wrong (again)

A paper submitted to the physics arXiv has been picked up by a number of major news outlets (e.g., the Daily Mail) because the paper suggests that its authors have measured something traveling faster than the speed of light. Unfortunately, the claim is worse than weak; it is silly. I'll talk about why that is after briefly discussing their research.

The paper in question has no data at all so; although it asserts that it has measured superluminal velocities, it offers nothing to back that up. It also has very little in the way of experimental detail, so we can't determine with certainty what they are measuring, making it very difficult to evaluate their claims. We'll take as close a look as we can, given these limitations.

The researchers make use of the property called total internal reflection (brief discussion). When light is above a certain angle of incidence on an interface between two materials—say, at the face of a prism—it can be totally reflected, provided it is arriving at this interface from the higher refractive index material. However, near the boundary, something called an evanescent wave forms that does not propagate like normal light (technically it does not propagate at all) and quickly decays away to nothing. If you take a second prism and place it very close to the interface where total internal reflection occurred, then some light from this evanescent wave will leak across the interface and exit the second prism. The prisms have to be no further than the wavelength of light involved for this to work.

Now the interesting questions are: where did the energy in this light come from? How fast did it travel across the boundary? The first question is interesting because the evanescent field has no energy in it. This is because the electric and magnetic fields that make up the field are phased in such a way that the product is always zero. The second question is interesting because the speed of light is not defined in a way that is intuitive to non-physicists. Suffice it to say that, for the evanescent wave, the speed of light is zero, and therefore any measurable speed is faster than the speed of light.

So, how are these authors measuring an excessive speed of light? In practical terms, most experiments measure light in terms of what is called the group velocity, which is how fast a pulse propagates along an underlying carrier frequency. This can, in some circumstances, lead to the pulses traveling faster than the speed of light in the medium they're in, but not faster than light in vacuum. Although the setup in the new paper is not entirely clear, they were measuring the arrival time of pulses, which means we're talking about group velocity rather than the actual speed of light.

Another problem that occurs in these experiments comes from determining when the pulse actually arrived. If you analyze a pulse of light, you find that it is made up of a huge number of frequencies that, as you move away from the fundamental frequency, get lower and lower in amplitude. Once you look at the experimental set up in detail, you find that it is triggering on the pre-pulse noise generated by these high frequency components.

Separate from the whole speed of light issue, the answer to the energy question in this experimental setup is interesting. Once the two prisms are close to each other, the evanescent wave is partially reflected from the second prism back to the first prism. When this happens, the total electric field and total magnetic field are no longer such that their product is always zero—there is energy in the field. Furthermore, if you analyze the components of the fields that contain the energy, you find that they do have a non-zero speed of light and it is—you guessed it—the same c that applies everywhere else in the universe.

So although this makes for an interesting physics lecture—or at least I thought it was interesting—it is not new physics and not a breakdown of special relativity.

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Bah, time is pretty imaginary...the way we use it anyway. Or if not imaginary, at least arbitrary.

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Psilocybin-influenced comment?

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Nah, daylight-savings influenced.

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[emotional leper]

I'm waiting for Titor to weigh in on this.

[Loredoctor]

They found out who was behind the John Titor hoax, anyway. Oh, and plus his predictions turned out to be false.