Kevin's Watch

ninjaboy wrote:That actually sounds a fair bit like Roger's TC..

Actually sounds like my TC.

Ine of the more frequently quoted phrases in Fatal Revenant is 'I do not forgive'

I was wondering perhaps what role forgiveness might play in the conclusion to this series.

ninjaboy wrote:Ine of the more frequently quoted phrases in Fatal Revenant is 'I do not forgive'

I was wondering perhaps what role forgiveness might play in the conclusion to this series.

...dude, shhhhhh...that's really the only perfect conclusion there is, based on SRDs Trinity concept with the Chrons....

I clipped this out of the GI-- Im sure a lot of you have seen it. Im not sure i fully understand though.

It seems that the direction you are leading the new TC series is toward the destruction of the "Land," especially here on the GI. You've mentioned entropy many times, and recently (for seemingly no reason) added as a comment to a reader's question, that the Elohim are not the same type of "immortal" as LF. In RotE you have the merewives destructive desire's given the potential to be fulfulled through Cail's son. You have left so much open about the past and how it could pertain to the destruction of the arch of time.
The terms "word, wierd, wyrd" all being related confuses me a bit (everything confuses me), but i get the impression that it has to do with the Final destiny (destruction)of the Land.

Those were the "clues" that i saw to lead me to believe that the Land will be destroyed at the end of the series (but of course LF losing somehow, like he did at the end of the second chronicles, Foul "beating" TC, but actually losing).

so are my idea's correct? or did i at least bring up a topic that you hope to circulate around only so that you can keep the reader's guessing?



SD SAID -

I suppose I do occasionally "tease" the readers of the GI, tossing out veiled hints of this and that. As a matter of personal morality, I don't approve of doing such things. But there are times, I guess, when the sheer loneliness of my position (being the only one who *knows*) gets to me. I hope I haven't done anything to harm your enjoyment of the story.

But seriously: where can "The Chronicles" (as a whole, not as individual books) possibly *go*? Can you honestly imagine a future other than the one you've deduced from my hints (and from the internal logic of the story)?

I hate to say this--because we all know what happens when someone says it <sigh>--but, "Trust me."

Sounds like he is only verifing that the Land will be destroyed... his last sentence, however, seems to echo something he said about people who stopped reading the GAP after trying to read The Real Story, which was essentially that yes, the story does look grim, but he wished that readers would be able to trust him to get to the ending where the pay-off is. He's trying to somehow assuage whatever grief we may feel at the thought of the Land's destruction, but for obvious reasons can not say anything else but "Trust me".

So we're being asked to 'trust' a guy who, judging by previous form, and his own subtle hints, wants to tear our hearts out?

ninjaboy wrote:So we're being asked to 'trust' a guy who, judging by previous form, and his own subtle hints, wants to tear our hearts out?

Well, all the evidence shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that we are all hard-line Masochists (of the spiritual sort).

Rewarding my trust with the First Chrons was what made me a diehard fan.

I've read too many series that did NOT reward my investment of time and soul.

So I trust SRD even if he destroys the Land... like Job who said about God, "Though he slay me, yet will I trust him."

Both the Land & the Earth will be destroyed, but somehow it will be redeemed & "brought back to life" somehow. LF is flat-out killed this time, not merely defeated. It was stated in the text that if the Arch were ruptured while LF doesn't wield his own wild magic "directly" (Joans situation isn't good enough), then the Despiser himself would also be destroyed. Perhaps that is what is needed to kill Foul once and for all....deliberately tearing down the Arch, thereby destroying Foul. Unfortunately, the Land & Earth are also destroyed, but somehow "saved" & put back to right........what do you think?

I predict that the Land will not be destroyed. Neither will LF. Time and time again in the chronicles it was said that LF can never be destroyed.
The creator does not want to destoy his creation because if he tries to remake it, it will release his enemy. That would cause more havoc then anything else. These are the boundaries SRD has set. But SRD has placed hints within the Chronicles on what may happen. Some are insignificant passages and other are out in the open. But are failed to be reconized because we are reading the story at a deeper level.

To destroy the Land and it's world would prove that TC was the creator and LF was a delusion within TC's mind. It would remake the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant to a medical study of a diseased and ravaged mind. It would take the Chronicles out of the world of fantasy. It would reduce SRD as a fantasy writer.

Only time will tell and the answer will become apparent.

I don't agree, I always thought being trapped under the Arch is what made Foul vulnerable to begin with, and he doesn't seem to care whether or not he's the one who destroys the Arch or if it's Covenant...

But if it were a problem, he could always have Jeremiah make a safe point and wait it out until it was over and return yet again (though I'm of the opinion that he will actually be trapped forever in one of Jeremiah's constructs, and he thought the Land was a prison!)

Something else to perhaps keep in mind, is the fact that Infelice kept bitchinh & moaning about how both TC's previous victories over LF were "partial and ambiguoius". She was particulary ragging on LA about this topic as it pertained to the ending of the Second Chronicles. That, and other "hints & things" make me inclined to think that both the end of the Land and LF himself are gonna happen. Lastly, the fact that TC is alive again at the end of FR is probably gonna turn out to be counter-productive at the end of AATE.

Spoon! You have five more posts to go before you reach triple digits!!!!

I believe that the Land will be destroyed but not LF, though his defeat will be such that we can say that there's no way he's coming back. Maybe a good care bear stare to the face...

I do wonder, though, what Infelice has in mind for a victory over LF that isn't "partial and ambiguoius".... those Elohim do know quite a bit, but they're all whipper-snappers compared to Foul...

I'm partial to the understanding that the world of the Land will be destroyed and remade.. Though I can't see a brand new world WITHOUT an aspect of corruption.. It just wouldn't be.. complete.. if the Land was only full of happy, joyful souls.. And would remain so for ever.

Ah, but nothing can be truly alive without containing the seeds of its own destruction.

I also think the Land will be destroyed.

The arch is hugely vulnerable now that TC is back in corporeal form and lordy knows what Law has broken in doing so.

Sometimes the only way to remove a flaw in a creation is to destroy it entirely and start again.

I think we'll see a new creation at the end made somehow from Linden and TC, both of whom are dead in the "real" world.

TC's death put him in protection of the arch, wonder what will become of Linden.?

and from reading SRDs comments in the GI, he more or less says that it will all get burned.

My money is still on the Theomach stepping in. We haven't heard from him for a while, and before he became the Theomach, he was ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol, the guardian of the One Tree: in that capacity he must have learnt a fair bit about the Worm, and is therefore best placed to deal with it now. And Linden knows his real name, so she can "invoke" him, in the same way that she did with the Mahdoubt.

Another thought which struck me only the other day. The key thing about the Insequent seems to be that they can time-travel. But Linden is also able to do this (primarily because of the time mismatch between "our" world and the Land.). So maybe it's going to turn out that all the Insequent originally came from "our" world - which of course would make Linden one of them.

Based on the pattern established in FR, Insequent are known by names that start with "the"...and Linden certainly qualifies on that score. She is the Chosen.

The other thing about Insequent is that they can be invoked through the use of their real names. So far, it appears that saying "Linden Avery" does not give those in the Land any power to compel her presence or compliance.

Will this change? Maybe, but I'm not yet convinced.

Let us not forget that only one Insequent has shown the ability to Time Travel: The Mahdoubt. The Theomach could maybe sense things traveling through time, but it is still not certain whether or not he could travel through time.

The Elohim, on the otherhand, are perfectly capable, and only choose not to travel.

Aside from that, intriguing observations...

Savor Dam wrote:So far, it appears that saying "Linden Avery" does not give those in the Land any power to compel her presence or compliance.

Maybe only an Insequent can invoke another Insequent via their real name? (I seem to recall that Stave has pronounced "ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol" on at least one occasion, without anything dramatic happening.)