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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:10 pm
by StevieG
jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:StevieG wrote:A quick question for the ignorant (ie. me) - what does Shall Pass Utterly refer to?
It's a prequel to the 1st Chrons focusing primarily on an ADD nine-year-old, Thomas, having to deal with missing the bus to school...
It's actually the name SRD first chose for book three of the Last Chrons...which will now be called Against All Things Ending (editors choice).
Yeah, but .... what does the title mean? What does it refer to?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:23 pm
by wayfriend
StevieG wrote:Yeah, but .... what does the title mean? What does it refer to?
Shall Pass Utterly is a reference to a line that appears several times in the Chronicles, either as "should pass utterly" or "shall pass utterly".
In [u]The Illearth War[/u] was wrote:Ah, Creator!
Timelord and Landsire!
Did You intend that beauty and truth should pass utterly from the Earth?
In [u]Fatal Revenant[/u] was wrote:"Must it transpire that beauty and truth shall pass utterly when we are gone?"
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:15 pm
by Rigel
Wasn't it also in a poem that Atiaran sings in LFB?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:42 pm
by wayfriend
Yes. Well, it was in her story after her song.
In [u]Lord Foul's Bane[/u] was wrote:"Thus he ran, hunted by death, and the memory of the shadow was upon him. For three days he ran, never stopping, never resting -and for three days the King's host came behind him like a murderous beast, panting for blood. At the last of his strength and the extremity of his despair, he came to Mount Thunder. Climbing the rock-strewn slope, he threw himself down atop a great boulder and wept, saying, `Alas for the Earth. We are overthrown, and have no friend to redeem us. Beauty shall pass utterly from the Land.'"
There are assuredly several other references I didn't post.
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:04 am
by Savor Dam
Assuredly...Na'doubt about it.
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:28 am
by StevieG
Thankyou.
I actually quite like the original title now that I understand where it comes from.
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:46 am
by Menolly
wayfriend wrote:Yes. Well, it was in her story after her song.
In [u]Lord Foul's Bane[/u] was wrote:"Thus he ran, hunted by death, and the memory of the shadow was upon him. For three days he ran, never stopping, never resting -and for three days the King's host came behind him like a murderous beast, panting for blood. At the last of his strength and the extremity of his despair, he came to Mount Thunder. Climbing the rock-strewn slope, he threw himself down atop a great boulder and wept, saying, `Alas for the Earth. We are overthrown, and have no friend to redeem us. Beauty shall pass utterly from the Land.'"
There are assuredly several other references I didn't post.
The above is what I most often think of whenever I read "Shall Pass Utterly" though...
If that scene is somehow included in The Last Chrons, and particularly in AATE, I'll wish even more the title had remained "Shall Pass Utterly."
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:59 pm
by jacob Raver, sinTempter
The Runes are on the SoL...
...SPU or AATE and the Last Dark are from previous prose...
...what 'bout Fatal Revenant?
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:03 pm
by Auleliel
jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:The Runes are on the SoL...
...SPU or AATE and the Last Dark are from previous prose...
...what 'bout Fatal Revenant?
RotE refers to the rock of the earth speaking to Anele, not the SoL (the runes don't get there until FR anyway).
In FR, Thomas Covenant is the Fatal Revenant.
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:15 pm
by jacob Raver, sinTempter
Auleliel wrote:jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:The Runes are on the SoL...
...SPU or AATE and the Last Dark are from previous prose...
...what 'bout Fatal Revenant?
RotE refers to the rock of the earth speaking to Anele, not the SoL (the runes don't get there until FR anyway).
In FR, Thomas Covenant is the Fatal Revenant.
He is...or
what Linden does to him at the end of FR
creates a FR?
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:55 pm
by spoonchicken
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:00 pm
by rdhopeca
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:06 pm
by jacob Raver, sinTempter
rdhopeca wrote:
Hey...I began to hint at this in my LOTR Parody in the Hall...
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:52 am
by aliantha
I just now noticed we had an AATE forum.
I guess it would've been worse if I hadn't noticed it 'til the book came out....
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:55 am
by jacob Raver, sinTempter
"Where did you go, psycho" girl?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:59 am
by aliantha
I don't, as a rule, check out the Chrons forums unless I've been reading the books recently. Just seems like I don't have much to add to the discussions unless I'm currently immersed in the Land...
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:50 pm
by jacob Raver, sinTempter
'know what ya mean...
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:48 pm
by iQuestor
StevieG wrote:A quick question for the ignorant (ie. me) - what does Shall Pass Utterly refer to?
Its part of a song from the Chrons.
To steal a line from wayfriend, SRD comments on this in the GI:
Michael from Santa Fe:
This may be obvious, but does the title "Shall Pass Utterly" come from the lines in "Lord Kevin's Lament" where it states that "beauty and truth shall *NOT* pass utterly from the Earth"? And if so, I must say, "I have a bad feeling about this"...
SRD replies:
The actual line (from "Lord Kevin's Lament" in TIW) is "did You intend/that beauty and truth should pass utterly from the/Earth?" And yes, that's where I got the title for Covenant 9. And that gives you "a bad feeling"? In a *Covenant* book? <grin> Oh, dear. (07/06/2006)