Lost--Season 6 - Spoilers Abound!!!

Post by **Worm of Despite** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:01 am

This topic needs something catchy when we start discussing spoilers, like last topic (Spoliers Inbound, which was my idea) or ("Spoilers incoming, like a plane that's going to crash into a mystical island").

Post by **Zarathustra** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:00 pm

Zarathustra wrote:I think the "changing things" possibility was a red herring. Faraday was either wrong or lying. They will create the incident, not stop it.

After finishing Season Five again, I take that back. They clearly changed things, as you can tell from the very first episode of S5. In one of the time-jumps, they see the hatch as it would look after the S5 finale, not after it looks after the S2 finale. The difference is clear (in addition, Cuse and Lindleloft confirm it in the commentary). And this scene is dated by the fact that Locke is at the plane after it fell (Locke is time traveling parallel to Sawyer & co). So this is our first clue that the past actually has changed. This one scene shows that the events of season 2 never happened . . . but you don't notice realize it until viewing all of S5 over again.

Post by **lucimay** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:18 pm

huh?

don't confuse me further!!

Post by **Cagliostro** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:29 pm

Zarathustra wrote:In one of the time-jumps, they see the hatch as it would look after the S5 finale, not after it looks after the S2 finale. The difference is clear (in addition, Cuse and Lindleloft confirm it in the commentary). And this scene is dated by the fact that Locke is at the plane after it fell (Locke is time traveling parallel to Sawyer & co). So this is our first clue that the past actually has changed. This one scene shows that the events of season 2 never happened . . . but you don't notice realize it until viewing all of S5 over again.

Oh, wow....I never thought of that, but I saw the premiere of Season 5 again last night (I bought the damn set on the release day, but the wife hasn't wanted to start watching it until I twisted her arm (figuratively) last night to finally start it). But you are right....hmm....I'll just need to finish the commentary on that episode now. If that's true, I'm not thrilled with the revisionist aspect this next season, but hopefully it isn't too obnoxious and actually forwards things. Because right now, it looks like it is taking Lost a few steps back. But I have faith.

Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:12 pm

Looking forward to the Final Season... I had heard rumor that Stephen King was writing for this show a while back... true or not it really does have some king like aspects involved... John Lock alone reminds me of the Gunslinger. more Cort like with the bald head but anyway I am looking forward to finding out what is going on, or what is going to happen to end this story.

Post by **Cagliostro** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:58 pm

I don't think Stephen King is writing any of it, but the writers are huge Stephen King fans. There was also a big article in Entertainment Weekly some week around season 2 (after Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby) where the creators spoke with Stephen King and essentially kissed his ring while he thanked them for entertaining him.

Post by **lucimay** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:14 pm

you know i feel sort of bereft.

i came to Lost late. i never watched it on tv. and a year ago we got
rid of our tv even.

but recently i've started watching some tv shows on hulu and the like and the ones i've been watching took a summer hiatus.

dollhouse, lie to me, dexter.
so i went looking on hulu for something new to watch and found
all the seasons of Lost were available (with the exception of a few
season 5 shows which i got on Graboid)

so, i watched the pilot, just to see if i'd like it, and was immediately hooked.
i now see why everyone was so enamoured of it. so i watched it.
all of it. from the first show to the season 5 finale.

and now i'm bereft waiting for season 6 to start.

last night i read this whole thread for the first time.
i agree that Lost is VERY "king-like"
i think there are some things that are not going to be explained.

Post by **Cagliostro** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:16 pm

Glad you climbed on board Lucimay...I do think it is one of the most consistantly surprising shows. I'm glad I caught the plane from Season 1, as I think what makes the show so good is speculating and analyzing every little thing. That's why I am having mixed feelings about this whole thing - on one hand, I want the payoff of knowing what has been going on, but on the other, the long uncomfortable waits gives you time to really take the show in and predict and such. While it sucks to wait, it's nice to try to figure out what is going on.

Post by **sindatur** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:56 pm

For all you comparing LOST to Stephen King's work, I just hope Damon and Carlton can end a story better than King. SK does a fantastic job of creating a story and building it and drawing the audience in, but, then he seems to get bored with it, and decides, "OK, it's time to end this story now...Boom, the story is ended"

Post by **lucimay** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:03 pm

sindatur wrote:For all you comparing LOST to Stephen King's work, I just hope Damon and Carlton can end a story better than King. SK does a fantastic job of creating a story and building it and drawing the audience in, but, then he seems to get bored with it, and decides, "OK, it's time to end this story now...Boom, the story is ended"

we can only hope!

oh...btw...favorite Lost line ever:

"we're not going to Guam are we" (frank lapidus)

Post by **Kil Tyme** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:13 pm

Read on some Lost site that Damon was quoted as saying not all questions/mysteries will be solved at the end of the series, but they are ending things story-wise just as they had origionally planned.

Post by **Cagliostro** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:48 pm

sindatur wrote:For all you comparing LOST to Stephen King's work, I just hope Damon and Carlton can end a story better than King. SK does a fantastic job of creating a story and building it and drawing the audience in, but, then he seems to get bored with it, and decides, "OK, it's time to end this story now...Boom, the story is ended"

Agreed. I've always wondered if Stephen King has an ending in mind while he writes. You can tell SRD does generally. And from everything we have heard, the creators of Lost know what is going on, which is why around season 3 they negotiated when to end the sucka. So far, I've been pretty satisfied, which is why I suspect it will end well. With a huge body count. And the last shot being Jack's eye closing forever.

Post by **Kil Tyme** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:06 pm

Wow, that's good. Send that ending to the writers.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:00 pm

Well I've been a faithful fan of LOST since the first episode and while other friends and family have given up on the show over time I'm very glad I stuck it out. Actually my interest in the show has never diminished that I can recall.
Now, like the rest of you, I am waiting anxiously for the final season to begin.
As to getting all of our questions answered I'm not entirely sure we'll get the sort of answers we're hoping for. Not the black and white, easy to understand, there's not lingering debate after the show is over kind of answers. There's still a chance, as dAN has suggested, that everything we've witnessed is an aspect of Hurley's complex psychosis and therefore not getting genuine answers to our questions is a real possibility. I really hope this isn't a "it was all in my head" scenario but it can't be completely ruled out.
I want to know exactly why all of these characters are special, why they were chosen, how they are interconnected. By all rights there shouldn't have been any survivors of the original air crash. You don't experience a plane splitting in two, thousands of feet in the air, and live to tell about.
Above all else I'd like to be happy and satisfied by the last episode. Rewarded for my dedication to the show all of these years.

Post by **Cagliostro** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:22 pm

aTOMiC wrote:There's still a chance, as dAN has suggested, that everything we've witnessed is an aspect of Hurley's complex psychosis and therefore not getting genuine answers to our questions is a real possibility. I really hope this isn't a "it was all in my head" scenario but it can't be completely ruled out.

Actually, I think it can be ruled out as the creators have frequently said that it isn't going to be a cheat in the end.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:39 pm

Cagliostro wrote:
aTOMiC wrote:There's still a chance, as dAN has suggested, that everything we've witnessed is an aspect of Hurley's complex psychosis and therefore not getting genuine answers to our questions is a real possibility. I really hope this isn't a "it was all in my head" scenario but it can't be completely ruled out.
Actually, I think it can be ruled out as the creators have frequently said that it isn't going to be a cheat in the end.

As Gregory House says frequently "Everybody lies."

Post by **sindatur** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:38 pm

Cagliostro wrote:
aTOMiC wrote:There's still a chance, as dAN has suggested, that everything we've witnessed is an aspect of Hurley's complex psychosis and therefore not getting genuine answers to our questions is a real possibility. I really hope this isn't a "it was all in my head" scenario but it can't be completely ruled out.
Actually, I think it can be ruled out as the creators have frequently said that it isn't going to be a cheat in the end.

Yea, numerous times they have said "It's not Purgatory, it's not a dream, it's not all in someone's head, these things are actually happening to these people" (Paraphrased)

Post by **lucimay** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:48 pm

yeah me too aTom..

why are they all "special"???? why are they all connected?

i mean, there's like ZERO degrees of separation with most of the
connections. yeesh. the christian/claire thing kinda annoyed me
a bit (though i really loved that little zinger being thrown at jack!!!)
because of jack's like...almost indecernable reaction to the news that
claire was his sister!
i guess you could say that maybe by THAT point in the whole ordeal
NOTHING surprised poor old jack.

and speaking of claire, if she's dead, how did she die? did she wander
off following christian and fall in a hole or what?

i dunno, i can see how the purgatory angle almost fits. i mean we do
seem to have at least 3 "immortals" in the mix right? jonah, the guy
that wants to kill jonah (and why does he want to kill him?) and richard.

Post by **Cagliostro** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:40 pm

lucimay wrote:yeah me too aTom..

why are they all "special"???? why are they all connected?

i mean, there's like ZERO degrees of separation with most of the
connections. yeesh. the christian/claire thing kinda annoyed me
a bit (though i really loved that little zinger being thrown at jack!!!)
because of jack's like...almost indecernable reaction to the news that
claire was his sister!
i guess you could say that maybe by THAT point in the whole ordeal
NOTHING surprised poor old jack.

and speaking of claire, if she's dead, how did she die? did she wander
off following christian and fall in a hole or what?

i dunno, i can see how the purgatory angle almost fits. i mean we do
seem to have at least 3 "immortals" in the mix right? jonah, the guy
that wants to kill jonah (and why does he want to kill him?) and richard.

I thought Foxy did a good job of playing surprise subtly as he had to keep his story straight and not let on he knew Claire. As an actor, that would be hard to pull off, and, while I am far from a Matthew Fox fan, that was one of his shining acting moments there.

I totally agree about the degrees of seperation. Too soap opera-y, and several things I found annoying, but they are doing much less of it now.

Claire was all blowed up in her home. Watch the scene again when they get her into the house after hers blew up - someone asks her if she is OK and she says, "I'm a bit woozy, but I'll live." Then Miles, the Ghostbuster, says something like, "I wouldn't be too sure of that." Pretty telling.

Post by **ItisWritten** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:46 pm

Cagliostro wrote:Claire was all blowed up in her home. Watch the scene again when they get her into the house after hers blew up - someone asks her if she is OK and she says, "I'm a bit woozy, but I'll live." Then Miles, the Ghostbuster, says something like, "I wouldn't be too sure of that." Pretty telling.

I never bought that explanation. First off, only Miles would have heard her if she were dead, right? Second, I thought Miles comment had more to do with the mayhem going on around them.

Now, if someone can explain how dead Claire could carry Aaron, and why Miles tells no one that she's not alive, maybe I'd buy into it.

I assumed, since she was hanging out with Loophole (in Christian's guise), that she would wind up with the others. Now I'm not so sure. I just can't figure how Claire (and Aaron) fit into anyone's plans, yet Loophole apparently lured her away from Sawyer and the rest for a reason.

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