Did we not?

[danlo]

Zep there are no cliques here-how would you even assume that unless you've been here before in another guise? How do you know any1 here-simple, you don't. Why don't you get aquainted with the board and us-and get used to things instead of barging in here with both guns blazing? We're actually a very nice family here but you need to slow down and get to know us. If not then see ya...yes we normally do seriously discuss all of SRD's works--when we can shove some of these jokers o/o the way...but the title of a topic is up to it's author-we certianly don't need a lecture on how to do it-lighten up -btw Amy is a he: a male Dr. from Hungary who's a Dr. Strange freak!

[duchess of malfi]

I like the comparison of a spectrum...Covenant does show aspects of both creation and destruction when he writes his stories and then burns them...

Zeph, when I come across a thread that I don't particularly care for, I find it easiest to just not participate in it...just a thought...

[Dromond]

Zeph:
Relax and I think you'll find this a great place to have some great SRD conversations, quit belittling so much so early in your time here.

[amanibhavam]

Zeph, if this were some kind of a special forum, say, one of the linux boards I frequent, or Tolkienian linguistics, then I'd find your objections totally appropriate. But for Eru's sake this is about Thomas Covenant - we all love it with all our hearts, but still it's mostly about fun, friendship and philosophy.
So peace with you and let's waste our energies on more fruitful topics.

Shine on ye all.

[Juan Valdez]

...the dark and hungry god arises....


you see..this is one of the reason why i truly..love these people....they are so patient..with beings of your ilk....

however....

i am not so patient or friendly to those who attack my comrades..and beloved.friends...here....

I...am.....Juan Valdez

a sort of anamoly...... a presence here at the watch....

I warn you be respectful to those with whom you speak here SIR ZEPH!


I too detect a superiority issue....believe me....I know all about this....but it is only because I AM infact superior.....and I can get away with these types of things...you however....lets just say in simple small words so that you can comprehend....are not....

amy has been around far to long to be judged by someone of basterly birth....someone such as yourself.....its somthing larger social circles call..seniority....or in my case senor..ity... HA..eh What..a jolly god roast what say ye...

oh yes back to the point at hand....not to be confused with fork, or finger friend or foe....

respect goes a long way....

and don't fancy yourself above these fine people Zeph I assure you...there are fine minds at work here....brilliance is.... I assure you the norm

however if you do decide to throw these outrageous slings and arrows...feel free to direct them my way...because I assure you...you will find yourself staring at their points in short order....

is it more essential to find the beginning or end of this puzzle....lost...yes...in thoughts....standing on the mirror of a dream....topple...down toward antiquity...from now into then...where time swirls....unstitched and re-spun into the fabric of existence....

hmm. quaint....this is where I live...my tower on the edge of forever...feel free to visit some time...

but these jungles and forests and mountains abound...in my fancy's eye....of the internal storm....check yes for no....and vice....no versa...just...still......




I remain..... your superior adversary




Juan Valdez

[birdandbear]

Juan....my dusky spaniard......your heady prose.....prosaic incomprehension............inspires palpitations in my......ribcage..........no wait......it's gas........COME COME COMMALA....Hello and Goodbye.....as always

[variol son]

.....um.....wow....I really don't know what to say. I only hope that Senor Valdez leaps to my defence in such fashion, should it ever be required.

Zephalephelah, while I don't believe that we have cliques here at the Watch, you do get to know some people better than others. I, for example, only seldom join the serious topics, since I often miss the forst two or three pages and hate having to read them to catch myself up. I do however, have my 'Who Said That?' friends; Duchess, Fist, Furls, Landwaster, and of course our beloved Sky (as well as any others that I have forgotten). It's just the way the Watch works.

I also have things that bug me about this place, but I have to learn to live with them, as they are not about to drive me away from all the amazing people at Kevin's Watch (B&B, I just remembered that you're a 'Who Said That'-er), and besides, the Watch is made be the people who belong to it.

I think that maybe people like Danlo, Duchess, Sky, Dromond and others objected not to what you said, but to the way it came across (feel free to publicly disagree with me if you need to). It happens, and I hope we can all put it behind us.

Amy, love the topic of this thread. My brain is too busy to think up something worthwhile to add.

Sum sui generis
Vs

[Landwaster]

Yeah if the word 'deceit' wasn't included the post would've looked a lot less confrontational. (it's late and typing little as possible so as not to wake anybody).

[variol son]

Deceit is a very emotive word.

Sum sui generis
Vs

[Furls Fire]

Juan is my champion for sure! "Hear him! Hear him! I beg!"

huggles to vs, my fellow "who said that" comrade

"ka like the wind...we are ka-tet"

[variol son]

WOOHOO! I got HUGGLES!



Sum sui generis
Vs

[Skyweir]

*bows to honour Juan*

no attack was intended Z .. we welcome your presence and your words .. and variol is right that we do not concern ourselves with the myriad of views so oft expressed among us .. so long as they are done so with relative politeness and consideration.

[Brinn]

COME COME COMMALA

"Hear him! Hear him! I beg!"

I say Thankee to you Sai Bird and you Sai Furl for these Dark Tower references...Thankee Big-big!

[Furls Fire]

Ka like the wind, Sai Brinn. Along the Path of the Beam, we are ka-tet.

[birdandbear]

Thankee Sai, you speak true. If this place isn't a home for one big ka-tet, I don't know what is.

[[Syl]]

And this is what happens when I'm too busy to read all the posts... Zeph, I know what you're saying, and you have a bit of a point. However you would probably have had better luck at making it had you just started a (well described *nudge*) new topic in General Discussion.

You've been to other boards, so have I, so you probably know this is by far one of the most open, newbie friendly, non-cliquish boards out there. But maybe that's just because I'm on the other side of the window... *shrug* not like anyone ever really pays much attention to me, or anything, though.

[RDGO_50]

I belong to another Forum, where we defend our Fav NFL Team and also discuss political issues of the Day - stemming all the way from the Federalist Papers to this Lynch (Joan of Arc) game someone in the Military is playing... I digress. Point is - I think I do a pretty good job of it!

I will work to avoid ruffling the feathers of PC types here - this is TC Land.. and I like what we discuss in that vein! Suffice it to say, I "own" The Federalist and have finished about half...........

Now - as for the topic of this thread.....

Correct me here, folks.
Isn't there a conversation between (the old man) and TC at one point where he describes to TC 'how' it is that he cannot touch his creation. How it is that he cannot simply go up to Lord Foul and whiff him away - mainly because they are from the same physical universe of sorts....(?)

That conversation is about 'why' he cannot cross the Arch of Time ( I think) as it would destroy his creation and again Foul would win... and how he has to cause TC to be the one who stops Lord Foul from his ruination of The Land. The tricky part was getting TC do move in the right direction...of his own free volition.... remember?

One of you posted that this was, in a sense, a sort of 'parallel universe' type scenario - in that, I think you would be correct.

And, at the proper point of the story, 'The Creator" (not TC, or Lord Foul, by the way) pulls TC out of his situation and they have that discussion. When it is all said and done, doesn't TC go back and finish what he had to do? And, while outside that Arch of Time, doesn't TC get to see (visually) this "Arch of Time" that is constantly the topic of discussion between him and the Creator?

For me, these characters are three 'separate' entities. There is no 'flip-side of the coin' here. My feeling is that SRD has mirrored (if anything) a similarity of the Christian Faith -- the Lord God and Satan, with TC being the one "Man" created by God, to do God's bidding.... in a place where God cannot touch what he has made, as it will cause that to become un-done!

In each of the instances that TC brings up in that discussion, the Creator reminds him again & again 'how' he could have nothing to do with any of it - he could save no lives, could affect no resolution to any situation, lest it would cause that which was made, to become un-made!

In an odd sense, one could say to themselves: "Yes, that could really happen!" This discussion does have substance. Offbeat analogy? Look at Dr. Who - according to theoretical physics - that TARDUS 'could really do' all the things it states in that show. One just has to say - "Yea! It could happen" There are many levels of belief in the World... and on several planes of existence!

This is just my point of view - I could be wrong!
But I believe, these three sides of the Story (and that's what it really boils down to) are mandatory - without them, the story doesn't work. All other parts, all other characters, are just trappings to these three.

Pros? Cons?

[dlbpharmd]

I agree with Syl - other boards that I've been too can be very stand-offish to newcombers, and can really hammer you if you start a thread/topic that's been discussed previously. I frequented the Gods and Generals board for several months (but no longer) - soon after I joined, I posted a thread with a question about a Tennessee federal regiment, and received a very blunt reply that I should look through old threads before starting a new one. That's not the case with this board.

I also have to say that I think this board is by FAR the best run/maintained board I've seen. Just a few days ago, I had posted on a thread, and when I checked back a few hours later, a newcomber to the board had posted behind me with a profanity. A quick IM to the administrator got it removed. That's good maintenance! And, the options and all the cool things you can do on this board are just another reason it's my favorite - besides the fact that I get to talk Thomas Covenant with other like-minded and TCTC obsessed people - like yours truly.

[Wonderer]

Hi all.....this is my first time at this site or any like it
for that matter.I've read and reread the series and have come to the conclusion that the Land was real
although perhaps in a different dimension or something but the matter of the old man is somewhat inconclusive is he the creator or only the creator's prophet? I don't believe Covenant is the creator because after he was bitten by the rattlesnake and was being returned to our reality he was given the power to survive even when the doctor said he was dying. A force outside of Covenant interveened to save his life even when he didn't care....perhaps proof enough that Covenant couldn't be the creator.Any other thoughts on the matter?.......Wonderer

[theDespiser]

i didnt read all the posts in this thread...but...

what i got out of it, the Land wasnt an extension of 'TC', and neither was the Creator and Foul...well, as far as the story goes...but obviously there are some similarites that can be found...maybe not so much the land, but the Creator and Foul...just seemed like the books said, that he was chosen exactly because he had been what he was, and suffered what he had, and his personality would ultimately lead him down the right path so that he could make the right choices...



which leads to another question...for me, anyway...could someone else not have been better suited? i mean, sure, had to have two fingers missing, and the white gold, but...still...





i dunno, maybe i just answered my own question...