Liand

Post by **A Gunslinger** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:14 am

I have given up on speculation of any kind relative to SRD.

If I had to guess about Liand's fate, I'd say that he might well die...but only after Linden comes to really care for him.

Post by **TincupCPG** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:47 am

I think it is as simple as this. Liand's only source of excitement and knowledge has been only with Linden. Someone stated it earlier, "it is a case of Hero worship" on his part. So, now that he knows something of the peril of the Land and of the extent the Masters "covered" up the history and such of the Land, he is filled with a young man's pride and eagerness to set things right. No big surprise he hangs with Linden. Exactly for the reasons stated above. Linden, on the other hand, KNOWS he is not capable at fighting, etc. She has tried to protect him from as much of that sort of thing as she could. I really feel that she would really want him to return to Mithil Stonedown. I sense absolutely no attraction between her and Liand at all. Thank goodness. I don't like Linden much anyways, so IF she falls for this guy i will go to the Land myself and beat the living snot out of her. However, SRD will NOT put such a obvious plot "twist" as that into his books. Anybody wanna bet?

Post by **aliantha** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:55 pm

I agree that Linden doesn't have the same feelings for Liand that he has for her. And I think "hero worship" is a pretty good description for what he feels for her. As for the rest, I guess we'll have to wait and see....

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:08 pm

Liand brought up echos of Lena to me, at least at the beginning of his story.

Here is a young, energetic, bright, innocent, and kind young person from the same small village who meets a mysterious, powerful, and attractive stranger of the opposite sex and twice his/her age from another world.

There are differences, of course. Linden doesn't violate Liand. And Liand lacks the family and friendship ties that Lena had.

But Lena wanted to go to the Lorresaat and learn how to serve the Land-- and Liand shows a similar hunger for knowledge and Landservice.

And can't you you see Lena insisting and begging to accompany her mother and Covenant to Revelstone, if he had not harmed her?

Liand makes me begin to wonder about a lot of "what ifs" about LFB...

Post by **aliantha** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:18 pm

I was also going to mention (before I settled for "wait and see") another sort of parallel. Covenant had -- maybe not fatherly feelings for Elena, but anyhow not romantic feelings -- and it didn't stop her from coming on to him. Liand coming on to Linden wouldn't pack the same sort of emotional punch...but the relationship has a similar structure, sort of, if you leave out the blood tie between Covenant and Elena, and the puppy eyes that Liand's giving Linden, and Elena's position of power as compared to Liand's complete lack of power....

Oooookay, I think maybe I'm reaching. Let's just go back to "wait and see"....

Post by **caamora** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:06 pm

Maybe Liand is just SRD's way to give us someone good - someone who is of the Land - wholesome and healthy. Liand is untarnished.

I see more chance of Linden getting together with Stave rather than Liand.

Post by **Glaive** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:58 pm

...to me, I find Liand's character the most sinister of all. Think about it.

In the previous 2 trilogies Mithil Stonedown has been teeming with people...yet how many does Linden SEE...none, only Liand. He gives her a story that seems plausible to what she's witnessed before...yet she has not seen a single other Stonedowner.

The storm that allows them to escape is BLASTING apart many huts but we're told they're all EMPTY...that their occupants are all out in the fields or tending the horses...she has also given him both the Staff of Law and the White-Gold to protect.

He is becoming Linden's crutch, she TOTALLY believes his spiel...

...somewhere Lord Foul is laughing.

Maybe not a Raver, but something close...

I'm sure Stave knows the truth, and I can see a scenario where Linden's screaming, "Why didn't you tell me??"

Stave will merely reply, "You didn't ask..."

Post by **CovenantJr** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:58 pm

I like the idea, and I see where you're coming from, but at one point Stave states that he now finds Liand worthy of respect to some extent. As for the empty huts - it said the storm targeted only the empty ones, not that they are all empty. The empty ones were targeted because the storm was the work of "friendly" ur-viles.

Post by **Lord Wombat** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:28 am

I think Liand's basic role in all this is to give the perspective of the 'ordinary' person of the land. Likely, he will eventually become the seed for whatever is set in place to take up Earthguardianship once all is over.

Assuming the world isn't destroyed, which some things would seem to indicate

Post by **CovenantJr** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:33 pm

"Some things" being Mr Donaldson saying "I'm going to destroy the world"

Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:36 pm

Or SRD could be really twisted, as he has been in the past. Perhaps Liands feelings for linden will swarm out of control, like elena's for covenant, or lena's for that matter. Then he could do something really crazy, like attack her. Just think of how much fun THAT would be for Linden. That's the kind of tragedy that seems more SRD's style.

Post by **Revan** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:16 pm

I don't see that happening at all...

I've not got a problem with the age difference... none at all... but I have a problem of her being lovers with anyone but Covenant... The love story between them made the second Chronicles for me... If it's blown apart by this dude, I'll stop reading.

Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:44 pm

As far as not seeing it happening, I definately didn't see the rape of lena coming, or pretty much any of the tragedies that happen in the books. I think that's why I like them so much.

Post by **Revan** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:46 pm

Yeah... I mean I honestly thought that the gaints would come in the Illearth War when Troy's army was weak and needed help... I had no idea that they were all going to die.

Post by **UrLord** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:04 pm

Darth Revan wrote:If it's blown apart by this dude, I'll stop reading.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about people who immediately give up on and stop reading the Covenant books after reading about the rape of Lena?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:08 pm

I think that if they're really angry at Tom, they should finish reading the rest of the series. Because he's constantly punished for it for just about ever.

Post by **burgs** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:00 pm

Darth Revan wrote:If it's blown apart by this dude, I'll stop reading.

No you won't.

Post by **PitchDude** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:20 am

JD wrote: Liand has more chance of getting some action from the Mahdoubt

Yuk! How... I dunno... MATRONLY!!

<pouring a lot of scotch>

Jim

Post by **PitchDude** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:30 am

Glaive wrote:...to me, I find Liand's character the most sinister of all. Think about it.

In the previous 2 trilogies Mithil Stonedown has been teeming with people...yet how many does Linden SEE...none, only Liand. He gives her a story that seems plausible to what she's witnessed before...yet she has not seen a single other Stonedowner.

The storm that allows them to escape is BLASTING apart many huts but we're told they're all EMPTY...that their occupants are all out in the fields or tending the horses...

OMG - I didn't notice this rather relevant point until now! (I'm sure it would have been obvious on my second, slow, relaxed reading, of course)

Two points about Liand - first, could he just be a pawn/plant of the Masters? Nobody else in the Stonedown????

Second, if he is who he says he is, wouldn't it be great if he managed to show up the Haruchai by replacing Brinn as the Guardian of the One Tree?? Heheheh. In your face, Stave!!!

Jim

Post by **Revan** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:36 am

UrLord wrote:
Darth Revan wrote:If it's blown apart by this dude, I'll stop reading.
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about people who immediately give up on and stop reading the Covenant books after reading about the rape of Lena?

*Consults his feelings*

Didn't really feel anything; it's up to them if they want to stop reading. I understand why they did it... but they are missing out on a great series because of it.

burgs66 wrote:
Darth Revan wrote:If it's blown apart by this dude, I'll stop reading.
No you won't.

Believe, I will.

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