Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:35 pm
there are no female ravers. they are all brothers
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 2:24 am
Well, duh! I know that! I'll make a female Raver myself then so !!!
!!!Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:50 am
Well, I don't know. Mhoram became intimately familiar with Ravers when samadhi touched him, and he calls them "brothers ... the spawn of one birth from the womb of their long-forgotten mother." That doesn't sound like vague imagery, it sounds like a description. I also think it would be... symmetrical?... for them to be brothers since the Giants they took over were also triplet brothers.
As for whether or not it matters, I think only to us, the readers. Especially back when SRD started writing the 1st Chronicles. Today, we read about women doing the most horrifying things imaginable all the time (I started to list them, but got too upset and erased it), so we can take female villains seriously. But a few decades ago, it wasn't as much a part of our awareness.
As for whether or not it matters, I think only to us, the readers. Especially back when SRD started writing the 1st Chronicles. Today, we read about women doing the most horrifying things imaginable all the time (I started to list them, but got too upset and erased it), so we can take female villains seriously. But a few decades ago, it wasn't as much a part of our awareness.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:24 am
I agree with Fightingmyinstincts that they had no body of their own and could take on any image, shape or sex. So if there was the need be, they would have taken on the role or shape or image in order to kill TC or get the WG...though he never wrote it in that way(SRD).
I do not agree with Gilden though on the subject that female creatures cannot be just as vicious if not more so than their male counterparts. Cruel, torturous, heinous and vicious..oh yes they can be! You need to get out more!
I do not agree with Gilden though on the subject that female creatures cannot be just as vicious if not more so than their male counterparts. Cruel, torturous, heinous and vicious..oh yes they can be! You need to get out more!
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:51 pm
The ravers seem to me that they could have begun as any species, and apparently they became what they are through an extreme hate of life and fear of death - obviously an extremely powerful will and possibly some other source of power allowed them to escape their bodies and cheat death...
In TPTP, read the passage where Mhoram kills Samadhi Sheol Satansfist - The giant-raver uses the power of the Stone and a lot of willpower, and you see him almost escape corporeal existence - he almost manages to repeat the act that created him, freeing the spirit from the body.
There is also Linden Avery - there was a point when she realised that if she possessed a person entirely, robbed them of their will, she would become like the ravers - able to possess any creature, free to move from body to body without death.
This is why I believe the ravers are not an exception - the same thing could be achieved by any creature with the power and will to attempt it - but the power gained from the ability to possess corrupts them, and they become evil, and are easily manipulated into becoming servants of Despite.
As for gender, I guess he just thought it was better to have three brothers - and note the way the story of the ravers' creation was written to match the giant-ravers' birth.
In TPTP, read the passage where Mhoram kills Samadhi Sheol Satansfist - The giant-raver uses the power of the Stone and a lot of willpower, and you see him almost escape corporeal existence - he almost manages to repeat the act that created him, freeing the spirit from the body.
There is also Linden Avery - there was a point when she realised that if she possessed a person entirely, robbed them of their will, she would become like the ravers - able to possess any creature, free to move from body to body without death.
This is why I believe the ravers are not an exception - the same thing could be achieved by any creature with the power and will to attempt it - but the power gained from the ability to possess corrupts them, and they become evil, and are easily manipulated into becoming servants of Despite.
As for gender, I guess he just thought it was better to have three brothers - and note the way the story of the ravers' creation was written to match the giant-ravers' birth.
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:08 am
Bravo member 251. Thank you!