Ravers

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:01 pm

Ok. I assume the Ravers are men. If what I assume is correct, then why are there no female Ravers?

Your opinions?

Post by **amanibhavam** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:08 pm

because SRD didn't bother to write any?

Post by **Zahir** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:32 pm

I don't think its safe to say the Ravers were born as men. They are described as "brothers" and "of one birth" but that doesn't really eliminate much. Methinks SRD left it deliberately mysterious, partially in an effort to make (and keep) them more frightening.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 9:42 pm

Take a look at this older thread about Ravers for some insight....

kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=166

Post by **fightingmyinstincts** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 7:27 pm

They didn't have bodies of their own, so they prob don't have a sex of their own either...

Post by **Gilden** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:27 pm

The Ravers are indeed men, and I think that there are no female ravers because SRD felt that men would be more frightening and better suit his needs. As a compliment to all females, I think that females would not fit such a menacing role, one that required bloodthirstiness and hatred.

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:30 am

Good point Gilden. Yes, I guess females might not be able to be as bloodthirsty and life-hating.

(I think I'll make some female ravers in the story I'm writing.

)

Post by **Sevothtarte** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:26 am

Well ... aren't all the villains in TCTC male? True, in general the female characteres are just as messed up as the males, but all the really evil roles are played by men. Foul, the Ravers, Kasreyn, Vain (in a way) ...

Post by **[Syl]** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:59 am

Hey, I've had some ex's that could give the Ravers a run for their money. i think cruelty comes easily to some women, it just has a different way of expressing itself than with men.

Post by **Zahir** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:36 pm

I think the books make it pretty clear the Ravers are not men, that they were born before humans came to the Land. The Colossus was created specifically to protect against them. (I think it was in The Illearth War)

Post by **Gilden** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:51 am

Don't read too far into the book's description. Just their pure mannerisms tell us that the Ravers are indeed male. The way they talk and act just cannot be female. It's too...can't think of a word right now, but they sure as hell did not act in the least bit feminine. Their pure rage and hatred is not something you see in any female, even ex-girlfriends, lol.

Post by **Sevothtarte** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:59 am

Well, there's always the fact that they aren't just called the "three brothers" by others, but also refer to each other as "brother(s)".

Sylvanus wrote:Hey, I've had some ex's that could give the Ravers a run for their money. i think cruelty comes easily to some women, it just has a different way of expressing itself than with men.

switches into sexist-pseudo-philosophical mode

Women normally only get cruel to men when given reason, but don't need a reason to be cruel to other women.

Men don't make a difference, but don't get as cruel as women.

switches back and starts searching for the emergency exit before the women catch up with him

Post by **pitchwife** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:00 am

Speaking of cruelty, I've heard an interesting presentation about bullying at my kids school. Bullying is kind of a cruelty isn't it? Anyway, it was thought that bullying is mainly a problem with boys, but it turns out that it is also a problem among girls. With boys it usually manifests as physical harassment, whereas with girls it's emotional abuse.

-pitch

Post by **Romeo** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:44 pm

There are a lot of parents in our area who send their boys to private boys schools because of the problems (I wouldn't say "abuse", but I'm sure the kids would describe it that way) from the girls in their grade. They're so much more mature, and physically larger at this stage (around 7th grade). And they can be pretty mean when given the chance (and let's face it - we guys never really grow up. it's in our nature to go in search of confrontation. heh heh)

Post by **[Syl]** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:38 pm

I saw this poem a while back and felt it's a good example of female cruelty.

Post by **Zahir** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:56 pm

For the record, I do think the Ravers are quite obvioiusly male. Apart from the fact they are referred to as "brothers" there is something masculine about them. Females (human ones, anyway) have the potential for actually growing life within them. Totally awesome cruelty in women requires some stiffling of that potential, while in men methinks its a corruption of the effort to "do" something.

JMHO

MokshaTuriyaSamadhi Raver · Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:30 am

Wow, welcome to the land of reverse misogyny. I think anyway you look at it the gender of the Ravers is irrelevant and immaterial. As far as I can recall there are no direct indicators either way as to their gender. The statement that they are brothers means little to me because it is commonly used for people of similiar perspecitves (brothers-in-arms) and various religious movements. What they are now goes beyond mere gender. For all intents and purposes they are what they are whenever they are in possession of a vehicle. And I struggle in priniciple applying human concepts to non-human objects (Anthromorphism).

As for females not being capable of 'true' evil, that sentiment makes me cry.

If they weren't so then why don't we just eliminate all women from serial killer lists, exempt them from all crimes and just lift their dainty little feet onto a shining pedestal above unworthy, infidel men.

*MTSR who likes to overreact to anything and everything*

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:37 am

Yes MTSR, you do seem to overreact a rather lot.

Post by **Sevothtarte** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:24 pm

MokshaTuriyaSamadhi Raver wrote:The statement that they are brothers means little to me because it is commonly used for people of similiar perspecitves (brothers-in-arms) and various religious movements.

True - but the same is true for sister, but still they use brother.

As for females not being capable of 'true' evil, that sentiment makes me cry.

They are of course able to be just as truly evil as men, but ...

If they weren't so then why don't we just eliminate all women from serial killer lists, exempt them from all crimes

... take a look at how many serial killers are male, or which gender commits most crimes.

Post by **robo** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 2:36 am

... take a look at how many serial killers are male, or which gender commits most crimes

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nah, women commit 10 times the number of crimes. Thing is that no one expects them so they get away with it ALL the time.

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