Lord Mhoram wrote:I bet those other songs are great too. "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" is such a great song. I am a huge Ferry fan, and Gilmour apparently worked well with him. I'm pretty sure Gilmour also appeared on Ferry's album Bete Noire.
Speaking of Brian Ferry, Phil Manzanera of Roxy Music co-produced Gilmour's last album, played on it and also played on David's recent tour.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ love is the shadow that ripens the wine
Now, Y'all know I'm firmly on the Gilmour side of the battle....
That note.....That huge bass note on Yet Another Movie after the line, "....he's not the worst, he's not the best". That note has wrecked more speakers than I care to count.
One of these days when I'm more sober, I'll recount my first listen to A Momentary Lapse of Reason. Truly a great album, and prolly an experience that y'all will enjoy living vicariously through me.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
I love Gilmore, but have to fall on the Waters side.
You know, I have Final Cut someplace. Cuz I cannot make myself throw out CDs. But frankly it sucks.
But I think that the reason it sucks is not Waters spiraling talent, but the fact that the band was busted. Half the tracks don't even have a guitar in it... there must have been some bad blood.
Now, I also have a rickety old cassette tape of a live Waters concert broadcast on FM in 1983 or so... after the breakup, before any solo albums (I believe). And it just totally rocks. He does a lot of Final Cut material, but it sounds NOTHING like the album. He's got a good guitar player, a mighty sax, piano, and oh, he's got those sweet girls doing backup vocals. It totally kicks A.
Here's my tribute to RW proving he is a god. These are some lyrics, as arranged during that broadcast - this comes out as one long song, if you will. (I wish you could hear it!) And ththpp! to anyone who says he's all about being depressed and insane.
Brezhnev took Afghanistan
And Begin took Beirut;
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie over lunch one day
Took a cruiser with all hands
Apparently, to make him give it back.
Ooo, Maggie what have you done?
They disembarked in '45.
And no one spoke and no one smiled;
There were too many spaces in the line.
And gathered at the cenotaph;
They all agreed with hand on heart
To sheath the sacrificial knives.
But now she stands upon Southampton dock
With her handkerchief and her summer frock
Clings to her wet body in the rain.
In quiet desperation, knuckles white upon the slippery reins
She bravely waves the boys goodbye again.
Ooo, Maggie what have you done?
And still the dark stain spreads between
His shoulder blades -
A mute reminder
Of the poppy fields and graves.
When the fight was over
We spent what they had made -
And in the bottom of our hearts
We felt the final cut.
Floating down through the clouds
memories come rushing up to meet me now.
in the space between the heavens
and in the corner of some foreign field
I had a dream.
I had a dream.
Goodbye Max.
Goodbye Ma.
After the service when you're walking slowly to the car
and the silver in her hair
Shines in the cold November air,
you hear the tolling bell
and touch the silk in your lapel.
And as the tear drops rise
To meet the comfort of the band,
you take her frail hand
and hold on to the dream.
A place to stay,
Enough to eat,
Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street,
Where you can speak out loud
About your doubts and fears
And what's more:
No one ever disappears,
You never hear their standard issue
kicking in your door.
You can relax on both sides of the tracks
And maniacs
don't blow holes
in bandsmen by remote control
And everyone has recourse to the law
And no one kills the children anymore.
And no one kills the children anymore.
Night after night
Going round and round my brain
His dream is driving me insane!
In the corner of some foreign field
The gunner sleeps tonight;
Whats done is done -
We cannot just write off his final scene.
Take heed of his dream.
Get either Momentary Lapse Of Reason or Division Bell for typical Floyd music.
Off the wall (no pun intended) sounds... Animals, Meddle, or Atom Hearted Mother.
Check out some solo recordings also:
David Gilmour - About Face or On An Island
Roger Waters: Radio Kaos and The Pros And Cons Of Hitchhiking
Have you hugged your arghule today?
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"For millions of years
mankind lived just like the animals.
Then something happened
that unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk."
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If PRO and CON are opposites,
then the opposite of PROgress must be...
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Animals is a really under appreciated album, but it's the PF album I find myself listening to the most. There are zero hit singles from it, but that really doesn't matter. The lyrics are great (nothing about Syd or Waters' parents!), and David's guitar work, particularly on Pigs(Three Different Kinds), is utterly breathtaking. A word of warning, Animals sounds nothing at all like the three PF albums you have....Don't expect WYWH Part II.
The Division Bell is very similar in style to WYWH, and "High Hopes" is probably the best song the band ever did. It's a very evocative, mature album, and I think it was a fitting way for the band to go out.
A Momentary Lapse of Reason has gotten a lot of criticism for being little more than a David Gilmour solo album and the sound is "too '80s". I'm a huge Gilmour fan, and I don't believe anything can be too '80s, so I like the album. It's really, really strong on guitar; arguably David's best work. I'd put both "Sorrow" and "Yet Another Movie" as two of the better PF songs.
About Face is one Hell of an album, but definitely not PF, and very '80s sounding. It still gets heavy rotation in my CD player.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
_____________
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
In The Flesh is decent, I suppose, but I guess it really depends upon where your loyalties with the band lie. Waters wrote some amazing lyrics, but he's not much of a singer or a musician.
The first thing that captivated me about PF's music was the music, the second thing was David Gilmour's ethereal voice. Now don't get me wrong, the lyrics are good too (and certainly important), but a song like "Wish You Were Here" would absolutely not be as good with any other guitar player or any other singer, period. Waters' lyrics are brilliant, but Gilmour gives that song life. Like Lennon and McCartney, Plant and Page, or even Roth and Van Halen, the sum are far greater than the parts. Again, for me, Gilmour is a far, far better musician, vocalist, and even a better songwriter. As much as I love "classic" Floyd, I don't think Waters has ever written anything nearly as good as either "Sorrow" or "High Hopes". Both songs can reduce me to a blubbering mess, nothing Waters has written has ever touched me so deeply ("Wish You Were Here" being damn close though).
For me, there is utterly no comparison between Waters' and Gilmour's efforts post-Floyd. I find Waters' stuff nearly unlistenable (with a few exceptions), Gilmour's work, both with and without Floyd is staggeringly brilliant.
IOW, you miss nothing listening to Floyd-sans-Roger....The lyrics are still there, and the rest of the band is intact. Listening to Waters' band doing Floyd songs seems more like watching a very talented cover band. I cringe watching other players butchering David's beautiful solos during "Comfortably Numb", and listening to some other singer trying to ape David's serene voice.
But hey, that's why they make 31 flavors.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
_____________
"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
_____________
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
_____________
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
_____________
"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
_____________
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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for me, i like them all. ok...roger waters is on my marriage list and david gilmour isn't but...that don't mean i don't like him. wouldn't've been floyd-oid without him.
i just have a thing for bass players.
(and i married a lead guitarist, go figure! )
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
Well, I'm not looking to marry anyone from Pink Floyd.
Then again, there was the hot backup singer with the short dark hair on the Momentary Lapse tour......
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
_____________
"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
_____________
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I agree that none of any of their solo work will ever add up to the chemistry of Pink Floyd as a whole. That being said, though, I think that (for me ), the fact that the Waters-led efforts are the best Pink Floyd recordings is a pretty good indicator of who is the better songwriter. The Wall, while having some very important Gilmour contributions, was entirely conceived by Waters, and his writing is what makes it what it is. The same goes for Animals, on which Gilmour only has one songwriting credit. Now, lyrics are to me more important than the music, so I think that Waters's solo efforts are superior to Gilmour's, which seem kind of lifeless to me in comparison to the energy and emotion of Waters's writing. As I've said before, I despise the post-Waters Floyd incarnations. Gilmour solo is pretty good, though. I actually have an album of his from the 1970s. Pretty dece.
Yeah, well that's the difference there. I've listened to post-Floyd Waters stuff, and I think his writing went way downhill. Hell, The Final Cut's writing wasn't as good as the stuff that came before.
But that's my bias. As I've said before, I've always found Waters' writing to be relatively simplistic; either about Syd or his parents, and that just gets tiresome to me. What saves those songs (and albums) for me is the brilliant musicianship around those lyrics, and Gilmour's delivery of them.
Now, this is not to say that I think Waters' writing is crap. Far from it. But I do think his style is a bit too.....obvious. Gilmour's writing is far more allegorical, more emotional, and (I know I keep using this word) evocative.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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i'm sure we will buddy! 
), the fact that the Waters-led efforts are the best Pink Floyd recordings is a pretty good indicator of who is the better songwriter. The Wall, while having some very important Gilmour contributions, was entirely conceived by Waters, and his writing is what makes it what it is. The same goes for Animals, on which Gilmour only has one songwriting credit. Now, lyrics are to me more important than the music, so I think that Waters's solo efforts are superior to Gilmour's, which seem kind of lifeless to me in comparison to the energy and emotion of Waters's writing. As I've said before, I despise the post-Waters Floyd incarnations. Gilmour solo is pretty good, though. I actually have an album of his from the 1970s. Pretty dece.
