Lost--Season 6 - Spoilers Abound!!!

[Orlion]

I agree - leave spoiler tags out completely. Anyone reading this thread should know to wait until they've seen the latest episode or risk getting spoiled

My question - in the alternate timeline, did Kate recognize the name Aaron when Claire told her that's what she was going to name her baby? She seemed to.

And finally Claire shows up back in the main story, but she apparently has/had a "darkness" in her. Some taint from the MiB perhaps?

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I presume the writers are teasing us with a "destiny" concept with Aaron (as in, it's his destiny to be called Aaron). I know Claire may have been desperate and all, but get in the taxi with someone that just recently had her at gunpoint? Come on!

I think that there's suppose to be a connection between Claire, Sayid, and Rousseu. I presume that the taint would be from the MiB, since the test for Sayid included ash, electricity (like the fence that surrounded the barracks), and the whole branding thing doesn't make any sense... I guess we'll have to wait until answers to questions we didn't have all ready are given

Just a minor point, but the fence around the barracks wasn't electricity-based, it was a sonic fence

Damn, you're right!

And Sindatur,

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Maybe he just got infected recently... maybe Sayid raves...

[Zarathustra]

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What about Ethan?!? He STILL seems interested in Aaron! What the hell is up with this baby? Does it make any difference that Aaron was the only person from 815 who didn't go back to the island? Wait a minute . . . Walt didn't either. Could their powers or uniqueness be entirely due to the fact that they exist outside the whole time-loop paradox? And this reflected backwards in their lives even before they got to the island?

When exactly did Sayid get "infected?" Was it the dirty water? But Claire didn't take a dip in the springs (that we know of), and certainly not after it changed colors. Also, this seems to be the same sickness that infected Rousseau's people. They seemed to have got this infection from the temple. But others have gone into the temple and were fine. Curious.

[Orlion]

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When exactly did Sayid get "infected?" Was it the dirty water? But Claire didn't take a dip in the springs (that we know of), and certainly not after it changed colors. Also, this seems to be the same sickness that infected Rousseau's people. They seemed to have got this infection from the temple. But others have gone into the temple and were fine. Curious.

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Who knows? I think, though, that their suspicion of Sayid began when he "died" and came back to life...

[[Syl]]

I think anyone who had really been paying attention would have noticed

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[Zarathustra]

Syl, did you mean to post nothing? Joke or mistake?

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Orlion, I think you're right. But unless Claire and Rousseau's people also died and came back to life, this doesn't account for the "sickness."

It also bothers me that the writers said, "dead is dead, you don't come back from that."

[Orlion]

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Orlion, I think you're right. But unless Claire and Rousseau's people also died and came back to life, this doesn't account for the "sickness."

It also bothers me that the writers said, "dead is dead, you don't come back from that."

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I think that Rousseau's people were never sick... she was, but they weren't. This leads me to believe that "dying" and "returning to life" are not a prerequisite to being sick, but a symptom... which may mean that we'll be seeing Rousseau again.... and who knows? Maybe Ben has this same sickness.

It's probably more of a spiritual thing then a physical. Confusion is also caused because I believe the Dharma survivors quarantined the island because of what Ben did, and not because of the infection we're seeing now.

I think it's interesting that they said before that "if Sayid dies, we're screwed", yet they are apparently intent on killing Sayid... it might make sense if that's how he got the infection, but if he got it elsewhere (and if they're not trying to test Jack, or whatever) then WTF, mate?

Though it could also be that the sickness doesn't reach full potential until the person "dies"... which means that sometime between now and when the Oceanic Six left the island, Claire died.... and came back to life.

This could also be the reason why Ben was sent to kill Rouseau... but then what good would that have done? Argh...the commercials promised that the time for questions had passed!

[Zarathustra]

I've entertained the idea that Claire died, and this is the reason we've seen her with Christian. After all, her house blew up and she was "fine." Maybe she died then, and everything we've seen since has been her ghost (or whatever it is when we see dead people on the island). Why else would she leave her kid in the middle of the jungle?

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As for "if Sayid dies, we're screwed," this could still support the idea that dying gives him the sickness. "Screwed" = "Sayid getting the sickness." So perhaps they were trying to save his life to keep that from happening (and saving his life was just a side benefit). Now they are intent upon killing Sayid because trying to save him (before he died) didn't work. Him coming back to life is something completely different from preventing his death.

There was something definitely wrong with Rousseaus people. Her husband (fiance?) was about to kill her before she got him first.

[Orlion]

There was something definitely wrong with Rousseaus people. Her husband (fiance?) was about to kill her before she got him first.

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Maybe they were trying to do what the Others are trying to do to Sayid now... that is, stop the spread of the infection by killing Rousseau... maybe her people were taken to the temple, healed and what-not, and the leader told them about Rousseau being sick, and they had to kill her, or else she might spread the disease... who knows? Maybe Rousseau being sick is what caused the women on the island to die if they became pregnant and tried to give birth. This could be because Rousseau's infection could have spread her bitterness of being separated from her daughter to causing the Other's women to die in childbirth.

All wild speculation at this point

[sindatur]

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I presume the writers are teasing us with a "destiny" concept with Aaron (as in, it's his destiny to be called Aaron). I know Claire may have been desperate and all, but get in the taxi with someone that just recently had her at gunpoint? Come on!

I think that there's suppose to be a connection between Claire, Sayid, and Rousseu. I presume that the taint would be from the MiB, since the test for Sayid included ash, electricity (like the fence that surrounded the barracks), and the whole branding thing doesn't make any sense... I guess we'll have to wait until answers to questions we didn't have all ready are given

Just a minor point, but the fence around the barracks wasn't electricity-based, it was a sonic fence

Damn, you're right!

And Sindatur,

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Maybe he just got infected recently... maybe Sayid raves...

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Yes, hence, if the shocking in the Temple proves he's infected, why didn't he have a different reaction to it then when Rousseau juiced him up in S1?

[Orlion]

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Yes, hence, if the shocking in the Temple proves he's infected, why didn't he have a different reaction to it then when Rousseau juiced him up in S1?

Touche.

[danlo]

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So Claire's back and Sayid may or may not be a zombie????WTF?

other than that this was a pretty boring episode...

[Orlion]

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So Claire's back and Sayid may or may not be a zombie????WTF?

other than that this was a pretty boring episode...

Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

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I think I'll only be truly happy in episodes with SLocke in them...the other Others just frustrate me with their feet shuffling...

Also, just in case folks didn't notice, our "benevolent" moderator is holding a poll as a separate topic to see if spoiler tags will continue in this forum. So let your voice be heard and vote (after all, this is one of those rare occasions where your votes do count )

[Cagliostro]

And if you don't, I'll sic the smoke monster on ya.

Honestly, it's what we hear on the second episode of nearly every season of Lost. The first episode mostly rocks, as the intros are so damn good. The second episode seems to be more of a letdown. And the next couple seem to be the same way. When I heard this was a

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Kate-centric

episode, I figured it would be the same as the past seasons. They've got to build it every season, and they seem to be doing it this season as well. Which is a pity as we have so little time to go. They should be knocking us over with every episode.

My wife turned me on to this blog by an old friend of hers. We've read it the past few seasons and having just read the S6E1 and the finale of season 5 analysis, he has a lot of very impressive deductions. It's long, but well worth the read.

[I'm Murrin]

Hey, look, spoilers:


I think the episode provided a little more weight to the theory of the previous timeline "leaking" into the current one - not just the way Claire suddenly knew her son's name, but also the odd look on Kate's face when she saw him at the airport from the cab, as if she recognised him from somewhere.

As to the infection, we don't know what happened to Rousseau's people when they went under the temple wall. I think that's a pretty deliberate omission. They could all have died down there, and we have Rousseau's account that the infection took them gradually, that it was a long time before she was sure they had been changed.

On the other hand, one argument often pointed out for Robert trying to shoot Rousseau is that she'd just finished killing off the rest of the team, so we don't really have much evidence for her team being changed - except that it seems odd that he would be so certain the smoke monster was a "security system".

The fact that they went in and she stayed out is enough to convince me, at least, that they were the ones infected.


I'll be interested to hear what happened to Claire. The ending to the show is unlikely to involve Claire not being reunited with Aaron, though maybe the alternate timeline is what will make the difference. Maybe the uninfected Claire in LA X will somehow allow the Island Claire to return to normal when the realities collide.

[Akasri]

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Yes, hence, if the shocking in the Temple proves he's infected, why didn't he have a different reaction to it then when Rousseau juiced him up in S1?

Touche.

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But I don't think he was infected back when Rousseau originally juiced him. My impression was that the infection came from him being dead and then not-dead. Which is why they were saying they were screwed if he died... this let the infection into the temple perhaps when they had already put up wards to keep it out?

[sindatur]

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Yes, hence, if the shocking in the Temple proves he's infected, why didn't he have a different reaction to it then when Rousseau juiced him up in S1?

Touche.

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But I don't think he was infected back when Rousseau originally juiced him. My impression was that the infection came from him being dead and then not-dead. Which is why they were saying they were screwed if he died... this let the infection into the temple perhaps when they had already put up wards to keep it out?

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Again, I agree. IF he wasn't infected when he was shocked by Rousseau, and he was infected when shocked by "New Others Leader", and the shock was a test for being infected, wouldn't he have had a different reaction the two different experiences?

[Orlion]

Touche.

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But I don't think he was infected back when Rousseau originally juiced him. My impression was that the infection came from him being dead and then not-dead. Which is why they were saying they were screwed if he died... this let the infection into the temple perhaps when they had already put up wards to keep it out?

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Again, I agree. IF he wasn't infected when he was shocked by Rousseau, and he was infected when shocked by "New Others Leader", and the shock was a test for being infected, wouldn't he have had a different reaction the two different experiences?

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The only way around this maybe that it's a combination of the ash, shocking, and branding that reveal if he's infected (for example, maybe the hot iron turns blue if Sayid is pregnant/infected with evil)... can't remember if they show the iron after they start burning him... but that's the only way, in which case, it may not have anything (directly) to do with MiB.

[I'm Murrin]

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When I was first watching the scene I assumed the tests were going to somehow show that Sayid could not be hurt or killed, that he would turn out to be in a similar state to Richard. But I guess that's wrong. (And Richard was the person who said that people don't come back from the dead, in any case.)

[sindatur]

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When I was first watching the scene I assumed the tests were going to somehow show that Sayid could not be hurt or killed, that he would turn out to be in a similar state to Richard. But I guess that's wrong. (And Richard was the person who said that people don't come back from the dead, in any case.)

Yea, me too, that's why it's so confusing, how can a normal reaction (IE: Not react to the ash; yell out in pain from the electric shock and the hot poker) prove that he's infected?

[I'm Murrin]

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i) People don't come back from the dead, therefore ii) Sayid is not returned from death, so iii) he is in one of two states, "infected", or replaced by the monster itself. As he reacts normally to the tests, we can conclude that iv) he is not being impersonated by the monster, therefore v) Sayid is infected.

Just a potential train of thought for this. It all depends on what you believe are the possibilities. When you rule out the possibility that he genuinely returned from the dead, as the Others likely have done, then what happened probably makes more sense.