Lost--Season 6 - Spoilers Abound!!!

[Zarathustra]

It makes Hurley's question seem the most appropriate: "You're not like, a zombie, are you dude?"

Maybe it's like Pet Cemetery.

[Harbinger]

Very disappointing episode. One of the worst in my opinion. I'm wondering when Vincent will pop up again.

[I'm Murrin]

It was your standard "nothing much happens in the main storyline" episode, which they've thrown in regularly since season 2.

The title "What Kate Does" really gets your hopes up for some kind of insight or conclusion about her character (the answer is and has always been, Kate runs), but instead we didn't really get anything in the way of character development. I think when they moved from flashbacks to just non-linear storytelling in S4 and 5, and now the new stuff in S6, they lost some of those nice well-rounded character arc stories the flashback-centred episodes gave.

[Harbinger]

Well, there was the episode "What Kate Did." Which showed her past actions. Now they're showing us what Kate does in two timelines. But we already knew that there were at lease two timelines occurring for the 815s. And we know for sure that the island timeline that Kate is in is in the future.

The dialogue between Kate, Jin, and the two others when they track Sawyer is interesting.

TYPO

[Zarathustra]

I'm glad they got the Kate episode out of the way early. It had to happen. Now we don't have to dread it.

[Akasri]

Maybe the hot poker and the electric shocks were designed to try and force something out of his body? Like before the 'infection' got too far advanced, but it didn't work, so it's too late? Just a wild guess

[Orlion]

Maybe the hot poker and the electric shocks were designed to try and force something out of his body? Like before the 'infection' got too far advanced, but it didn't work, so it's too late? Just a wild guess

Makes sense... so it's more of a first treatment if the infection is not too advanced and not a test...

I'm glad they got the Kate episode out of the way early. It had to happen. Now we don't have to dread it.

That's pretty insightful...better earlier so it doesn't ruin an awesome ending, huh?

[ItisWritten]

Here's the question I have. Jacob told Hurley to take Sayid to the temple. Now many of us think Jacob has a scenario in mind; that he has much of this wired.

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Why have Sayid taken to the temple when he must know the healing power of the spring left with him (that is, assuming they are related) and Sayid could not be saved?

We're assuming that Jacob and MIB are enemies, that they are not ultimately scheming together

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to achieve what non-Locke called going home.

I'm trying to recall if there was an instance last season in which non-Locke physically touched anyone. We know that Jacob could. What if Jacob's death caused their roles to be reversed?

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Richard was quite surprised when non-Locke attacked him. He told everyone to not shoot at MIB, since it appears smokey doesn't attack unless provoked. Jacob apparently came back from death, like MIB, to talk to Hurley. That is, unless MIB could be in 2 places at once. He apparently could not simultaneously be Locke and smokey.

What if Jacob and MIB are playing some kind of tag-team competition, taking turns as semi-corporeal and non-corporeal? And as semi-corporeal, MIB will now continue to wear Locke until Jacob kills him, or the competition ends.

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Would that mean going home?

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ARRGGHH. I hate spoiler tags!

[Xar]

Here's the question I have. Jacob told Hurley to take Sayid to the temple. Now many of us think Jacob has a scenario in mind; that he has much of this wired.

Spoiler

Why have Sayid taken to the temple when he must know the healing power of the spring left with him (that is, assuming they are related) and Sayid could not be saved?

We're assuming that Jacob and MIB are enemies, that they are not ultimately scheming together

Spoiler

to achieve what non-Locke called going home.

I'm trying to recall if there was an instance last season in which non-Locke physically touched anyone. We know that Jacob could. What if Jacob's death caused their roles to be reversed?

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Richard was quite surprised when non-Locke attacked him. He told everyone to not shoot at MIB, since it appears smokey doesn't attack unless provoked. Jacob apparently came back from death, like MIB, to talk to Hurley. That is, unless MIB could be in 2 places at once. He apparently could not simultaneously be Locke and smokey.

What if Jacob and MIB are playing some kind of tag-team competition, taking turns as semi-corporeal and non-corporeal? And as semi-corporeal, MIB will now continue to wear Locke until Jacob kills him, or the competition ends.

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Would that mean going home?

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ARRGGHH. I hate spoiler tags!

Except that MIB could touch people as Smokey - after all, he could hurl them around pretty well - so I don't think he was ever incorporeal. He also was the one who gave Ben the knife, so he had to be corporeal in order to pass a corporeal object to someone else. I think MIB just doesn't like physical contact with humans - which makes sense, given how disdainful he was of them in the flashback where he was shown talking to Jacob, in "The Incident".

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I wonder why the Others are seemingly forbidden from killing any of the survivors (not only did Dogen not order Sayid's death, asking Jack instead to "give him the pill", but when Aldo tried to shoot Jin, the other guy specifically said "we aren't allowed to kill them!" or something to that effect). It makes me think that the Others at the temple suspect at least one of the survivors who were in Jacob's list, in the Ankh, to be essential to whatever is going to happen, but not knowing who he or she is, they can't take chances and kill any of them. After all, we don't know what Jacob wrote in that piece of paper - and this theory would also explain why they said that if Sayid died, they would be in a lot of trouble: it could be Sayid was the important one.

Also notice how the guards at the entrance to Dogen's rooms moved away as soon as Jack told them to... I was a bit surprised by their reaction, as if Jack had the authority to command them...

I also noticed that all of Jacob's "chosen ones" are indeed exercising their free will a lot: Jack chose to detonate the bomb, Sawyer and Juliet chose to return to the Island instead of leaving with the Dharma submarine, Kate chose to return to the Island instead of living with Aaron, Hurley specifically chose to take the plane after Jacob presented the choice to him, and so on. This is sort of making me think that perhaps what we're seeing is a "changing of the guard" - i.e. Jacob was the personification of something (maybe free will) but now that he is dead, someone must take his place to maintain the duality between destiny and free will. Moreover, someone must do that willingly (otherwise, what kind of free will could you represent if you were forced to take on the mantle?). I have a feeling that maybe one of the survivors is ultimately going to take over Jacob's place - and perhaps one is going to take MIB's place, or perhaps not. But that's just my current theory...

[Kil Tyme]

I'm glad they got the Kate episode out of the way early. It had to happen. Now we don't have to dread it.

That was my thinking before the show, too; "Oh, great, a Kate show, this is going to be a painfully boring one." and sure enough, I wasn't disappointed. Got it out of the way.

Glad to see Claire back, but I agree: wtf with trusting the woman who pointed a gun at her, dispite bringing back her purse, etc?! I understand they are trying to show a connection between the two, but that was pretty far fetched. And drive a stolen cab around all day? The writers got real sloppy on the "side-ways" storyline.

The most interesting scene was with Jack and Dogen and the pill. And it would have been a more pleasent surprise to see Nathan if only I didn't see his name as a guest star before the show even started....!

[Cagliostro]

The most interesting scene was with Jack and Dogen and the pill. And it would have been a more pleasent surprise to see Nathan if only I didn't see his name as a guest star before the show even started....!

Nathan? Do you mean the character Nathan that was killed by Goodwin in the tailies story? I didn't spot him. Where was he?

[Cagliostro]

OK - it looks like we have an early consensus so no need to continue the poll.

NO MORE NEED FOR SPOILER TAGS!!!


Woooooooooooooohoooooooooo!!!

[sindatur]

The most interesting scene was with Jack and Dogen and the pill. And it would have been a more pleasent surprise to see Nathan if only I didn't see his name as a guest star before the show even started....!

Nathan? Do you mean the character Nathan that was killed by Goodwin in the tailies story? I didn't spot him. Where was he?

Probably means Tom Cruise's cousin who plays Ethan (Claire's Dr)

[Xar]

OK - it looks like we have an early consensus so no need to continue the poll.

NO MORE NEED FOR SPOILER TAGS!!!


Woooooooooooooohoooooooooo!!!

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These are not spoiler tags, this is the way we normally talk around here!

It kinda feels like reading a classified document...

[[Syl]]

BTW, my last post was a joke. If you looked closely, it wasn't actually a spoiler made with the tag, just looked like one... which was the point.

[Kil Tyme]

Nathan? Do you mean the character Nathan that was killed by Goodwin in the tailies story? I didn't spot him. Where was he?

Pardon; yes, I mean Ethan.

Also, I might have missed someone's comment, but I wonder if they will work in Micheal and Walt's not being on the plane in the sideways timeline or they are out of the show totally. They could have used old films with quick shots of Walt as a kid just to make it more interesting to see them on the plane; and then have them walk off the plane into oblivian.

[sindatur]

Nathan? Do you mean the character Nathan that was killed by Goodwin in the tailies story? I didn't spot him. Where was he?

Pardon; yes, I mean Ethan.

Also, I might have missed someone's comment, but I wonder if they will work in Micheal and Walt's not being on the plane in the sideways timeline or they are out of the show totally. They could have used old films with quick shots of Walt as a kid just to make it more interesting to see them on the plane; and then have them walk off the plane into oblivian.

Michael, I imagine they're done with, but, you gotta believe somehow they're going to bring Walt back into this thing before the end, they made too big about him to just leave the thread dropped and hanging (if nothing else, explain his prescence in the arc in some manner that doesn't actually include him on screen, via another kid with an intimate relationship with the island "forces")

[ItisWritten]

Except that MIB could touch people as Smokey - after all, he could hurl them around pretty well - so I don't think he was ever incorporeal. He also was the one who gave Ben the knife, so he had to be corporeal in order to pass a corporeal object to someone else. I think MIB just doesn't like physical contact with humans - which makes sense, given how disdainful he was of them in the flashback where he was shown talking to Jacob, in "The Incident".

As smokey, yes, but there appears to be limits to him even then. But I was talking about when he impersonated Locke or another dead person. Kind of why I asked it as a question, since I couldn't recall. I didn't remember the knife. There might be a fine line between carrying/holding an object and someone actually shaking his hand. Remember Dave, and the shoe he left behind that Hurley picked up?

Then there was the black horse in S2. Plus, my wife has always believed that Vincent isn't just a dog. Could these living creatures be part of Jacob's domain?

I wonder why the Others are seemingly forbidden from killing any of the survivors (not only did Dogen not order Sayid's death, asking Jack instead to "give him the pill", but when Aldo tried to shoot Jin, the other guy specifically said "we aren't allowed to kill them!" or something to that effect). It makes me think that the Others at the temple suspect at least one of the survivors who were in Jacob's list, in the Ankh, to be essential to whatever is going to happen, but not knowing who he or she is, they can't take chances and kill any of them. After all, we don't know what Jacob wrote in that piece of paper - and this theory would also explain why they said that if Sayid died, they would be in a lot of trouble: it could be Sayid was the important one.

Also notice how the guards at the entrance to Dogen's rooms moved away as soon as Jack told them to... I was a bit surprised by their reaction, as if Jack had the authority to command them...

Well, Dogen wanted Jack to come see him anyway. But, yeah, I want to know what the note really said.

[Cagliostro]

Wow...I never thought about Vincent...
It makes sense with the way he comes and goes, being at certain places at the right time, bringing things to people at strange times, etc.

Yeah, I'm convinced. The dog is another damn ghost smokey plays around with.

[I'm Murrin]

Hurley's Dave was pure hallucination, when he was sat holding the slipper Libby didn't see it.

But about him touching people, it does seem like he avoids it. As Christian, we've seen him pick up objects and hand them to people, but he also told Locke he couldn't help him reach the wheel when he had the broken leg. Maybe it's more to do with who than just people in general, though. Didn't Christian make physical contact with Claire in the scenes they were together?

Hmm, that reminds me: marked change in behaviour from Claire when she was with Christian does support the idea that she was infected.