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peter wrote:To my great loss in my soccer obsessed nation, I can find nothing of interest in 'the beautiful game' whatsoever. I have watched games, visited pubs during important matches where they were being screened, even served on the committee of a local side for a brief period - but never once has a scintilla of interest been kindled in my cold breast.
I have played all my life. I've managed about half a game this season due to injuries and age :D

I love playing. I enjoy watching usually. I am half Italian but I hate the Italian team - not because of their skill, but because of the culture of cheating in the form of simulation. Other nations do it too. And that is why I have always quite liked the English team over the years - they just play. The Aussies are even better in that regard (not in the "skill" part) - they get on with it, and abuse those who cheat! But Aussies in general are tougher ;)
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When you say "cheating in the form of simulation" StevieG, are you referring to the practice of lying on the ground faking injury after being tackled? Presumably this is done in order to get penalties or sending off's awarded to your team: is it really a problem? I'd have thought a good ref would be sufficiently eagle eyed to recognise such play-acting and ignore it?

(As I say - the game is pretty much a closed book to me. :lol: )
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peter wrote:When you say "cheating in the form of simulation" StevieG, are you referring to the practice of lying on the ground faking injury after being tackled? Presumably this is done in order to get penalties or sending off's awarded to your team: is it really a problem? I'd have thought a good ref would be sufficiently eagle eyed to recognise such play-acting and ignore it?
It's one of THE problems in football / soccer. The game is fast, and these players are almost as skilful faking as they are with the ball. When they get it wrong, it is embarrassing!
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:lol: I imagine so StevieG!

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In what is being described as a 'bonfire of the regulations', Boris Johnson has this evening executed a reversal of pretty much the entire Government strategy in respect of how it has been tackling the Covid crisis.

While this is pretty momentous stuff in itself (and short of the alternative - a bonfire of the entire frikkin' country - had, really to be done) this is not what I'd like to consider here, rather looking instead at what conclusions we may 'reverse engineer' in respect of the Hancock departure and how this was brought about.

I think the first point that needs to be taken on board is that, contrary to what the papers would have us believe, this sudden shift from cautious back and forth into overdrive opening up cannot be down to the influence of one single man, the newly appointed Health Secretary Sajid Javid. This has to have been a decision taken before today, indeed I'd say, before Javid was appointed (he's only been in situ for a week or so) and was no doubt brought about by the behind the scenes understanding that somehow this had to be brought to a close and the economy allowed to reopen. This was imperative if the country were to begin to start the recovery process that will be needed if we are not to go bankrupt as a nation (it's still going to be a hard ask, but getting the economy moving was an essential first step).

Equally clear however, was the fact that this could not be achieved with the existing Health Secretary in situ. Hancock it appears, had done all in his power (not inconsiderable as one of the key Ministers in the Government) to keep the lockdown restrictions in place, even it is reported failing to present the up to date data to the 'quad' meetings at which key decisions were made. There was little chance that Hancock was going to acquiesce to a sudden and fast reversal of the restrictions, he certainly wasn't going to resign and the PM couldn't sack him without appearing to prove true the Labour and press accusations that he had been remiss in not sacking Hancock much earlier as it appeared that he wanted to. The PM's position is wobbly enough as it is without giving his enemies the chance to crow at an apparent confirmation of his weakness and inability to make a decision.

So Hancock had to go, but by a means whereby the PM could not be seen to be involved in it. Step up the 'disgruntled employee' who released the CCTV footage to the Sun newspaper of Hancock grabbing the arse of his workplace squeeze in contravention of his marriage vows and the social distancing policy of which he was the chief instigator. It was interesting to see Victoria Newton, editor of the Sun newspaper which broke the Hancock story, on TV at the weekend saying that she would go to prison before she would spill the identity of the whistleblower; as completely safe a promise as ever was made, because if she did, the name she would have to reveal would most likely have the initials BJ and that ain't never going to happen. But just think about it. What has happened here is that CCTV footage from what should be the most secure location in the country has found its way into a national newspaper and it seems to be a matter of nil concern to anyone. Ordinary the security services and special branch would be all over it like a cheap suit and Ms Newton would be singing like a canary to keep her own sorry ass out of jail, yet she is cock-sure enough to be bragging that she won't spill the beans even if they beat the soles of her feet with rubber hoses. No - this is a woman that knows she is on solid ground and hence the confidence of her words.

So we now can pretty much assume that we are being led by an administration that will sacrifice the happiness of six children and two adults in order to achieve their political ends and that cannot be a good place to be in. We may well be happy about the turn of events in respect of the lifting of restrictions - I certainly am - but not the one of us should feel happy about how we got here.
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peter wrote:When you say "cheating in the form of simulation" StevieG, are you referring to the practice of lying on the ground faking injury after being tackled? Presumably this is done in order to get penalties or sending off's awarded to your team: is it really a problem? I'd have thought a good ref would be sufficiently eagle eyed to recognise such play-acting and ignore it?
It's one of THE problems in football / soccer. The game is fast, and these players are almost as skilful faking as they are with the ball. When they get it wrong, it is embarrassing!
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I was raised with both soccer and rugby and loved playing both at school playground recesses … but I have far rather played than watched. Soccer to my non-athletic mind being a low scoring game gets frustrating.

But then I can’t sit still watching most sports with the exception of basketball and AFL … which are fast moving, higher scoring games.

I loved playing basketball… and played amateur fun games weekly … till about 10 years ago when we moved here. No basketball here, and no I am done with starting team/club sports. It’s such a lot of work that grows and grows to be a lot more work. I’m too old now and disinclined to going down that path again now lol 😂

Soccer has suffered imo from “professionalism” just like many sports do.

And I hate the injury faking BS … I’m glad AFL is far less snowflakey.
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Johnson in his announcement to the nation last night was not overly upbeat in his presentation, recognising fully that infection levels of Covid are growing and that likely hospitalisations and deaths will follow; but he made the observation that if we do not take this opportunity to lift restrictions and get the economy and our lives back on track, then when are we to do so? He feared that if this opportunity was lost then it might be the case that Covid restrictions would remain in place ad infinitum - or certainly through the winter into next spring, by which time I'd guess, there would be little left of our economy worth saving.

Despite the 'rock and hard place' nature of the situation he finds himself in which is forcing this decision, the scientists are not happy. Warnings abound that the situation with the delta variant is precarious indeed, and such a lifting of restrictions could precipitate an upsurge of infections that could once again place the NHS in jeopardy, but with the vaccination levels at their current position and the summer months ahead of us, it is difficult to see when, if restrictions are not lifted now, they could be. Others have warned that lifting restrictions is a recipe for creating new variants, quite possibly that will not be protected against by our current vaccinations, but while this might be true it is an argument against ending restrictions that will always be pertinent and if bowed to would mean that restrictions would never end.

No, on this rare occasion I find myself in complete agreement with the PM, that at some point we have to take the bull by the horns and move our policy in respect of dealing with Covid back into the area of personal responsibility and away from Government diktat. If the collateral damage already resultant from the pandemic control policies are to be reversed and the necessary finance generated to repair some of the damage (much is of course irreparable), then the economy must be allowed to function freely in order to do so. My opinions on the wisdom of what has been done in respect of dealing with the pandemic are a matter of record in the above pages, but let that end: now, going forward, I'm getting the feeling that some degree of balance is finally being exercised in our response to it.
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And I hate the injury faking BS … I’m glad AFL is far less snowflakey.
It has crept into AFL over the last few years too. You know, throwing the head back looking for a high tackle etc. Buddy Franklin did it a lot, and Gary Ablett - actually some of the more experienced players do it. It's a damn shame.
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Yes it is a shame … and the curse of professionalism in sports.
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Never been much into sport of any description really, neither to play nor to watch. Not my cup of tea, no doubt to the secret disappointment of my father, whose whole family were keen cricketers and rugby players. :D

As for the pandemic, it's clear that as usual the so-called "Global South" is on the hind teat here. Cases (and deaths) continue to rise as vaccination programmes stall or limp along and restrictions remain fairly severe and set to be further extended by all accounts.

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I’m getting my pfizer shot tomorrow… hoping for no third ears lol 😂
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I'm getting the feeling that at last it is beginning to sink in the degree to which the Government has been remiss in it's concentration of all of its activities and resources on the Covid pandemic at the expense of every other aspect of its remit.

In today's press new Health Secretary Sajid Javid has told that it has been forecasted that the waiting list for routine NHS appointments could rise to as high as thirteen million from its pre-pandemic level of around one and a half million. The collateral cost of this alone could be staggering in terms of lost lives and increased suffering and could wipe away any benefit derived from their Covid response at, if not a stroke, then over the years and decades to come (remember - just because the costs are not heaped together in one pile doesn't mean they are not happening).

Elsewhere I have seen journalists and pundits commentating on the "horror story" that we have heaped upon our younger generation in terms of the cost to them of their lost education, the wrecked state in which the policy has left our business community and the economy in general and the social cost in terms of mental health and wellbeing levied upon our society. Comment is increasingly appearing along the lines that it is a Government's responsibility to administrate in the interests of all aspects of our national life - health, business, economic, education etc - not to focus on one aspect to the neglect of all of the others as has been done in the last eighteen months. As we get to grips with the pandemic via the positive effects of the vaccination program, the costs of Government policy in all of these other areas are going to become more clear and the Johnson administration had better have some very good answers if they are not going to pay a heavy price at the next election. They are fortunate indeed that the Labour Party have saddled themselves with a weak leader in the form of Kier Stamer because any half decent politician could make mincemeat of them.

But James O'Brien this week made a good observation; we in the UK are being administered not so much by a Government as a personality cult. One feature of this (he said - and the rest of this post is all essentially what he said, so this is the last time I'll say it) was that the people who liked the glorious leader, would always like him no matter what he did. It doesn't matter how high the bodies pile, how much the stench of the smoking ruin of their nation reaches them, they will not see it. Boris Johnson (in the manner of all cult leaders past and future) will, in their eyes, be able to do no wrong. A case in point, said O'Brien, was the recent announcement of Nissan that it intends to expand its production capacity at its Sunderland plant. "PM basks in glow of Nissan investment" enthused the BBC on its website, saying that Johnson as leader of the leave campaign, very much needed something to show that he had not led the country amiss in his championship of the brexit cause.

What has failed to be observed, is that huge sums of money, eye-watering sums of money, have been paid to Nissan in order to get them to make this announcement. Nissan is part owned by Renault who in which the French Government have a fifteen percent stake, so in effect UK taxpayers are paying the French Government in order to keep a plant in operation on UK soil. This is not something that you are going to see in the Telegraph, or the Mail or indeed the Express or Sun, because (complicit as they were in the debacle) there is no way they are ever going to print anything that throws any light on the truth behind the headlines - or indeed tarnish the shining image of the Leader to the point where people actually have to recognise him for what he is - a charlatan and a mountebank who has led this country to ruin.
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Today and in the coming weeks we will see the outpouring of the nationalist fervour that has been whipped up over our reaching the finals of the European Cup, in the form of vitreol and fury against anybody and anything seen as contributory to our failing at the final hurdle.

Already tides of racist abuse have appeared on social media directed against the three black players who missed penalties in the final shootout and (of much lesser, but still sour-grapes) significance, against the penalty system itself as a means of decision making in tied games.

I'm not a football fan (like Av above I don't really go for any sport really, though I used to follow boxing and to a lesser extent show-jumping I suppose) but I do like to see the pleasure it gives to people who see their teams doing well. But the inherent tendancy for the fueling of nationalism in the tournaments involving the national team has always been a fly in the ointment for me. Sagely was it said that sport is war without bloodshed, and last night's game was no exception. For all of the truly statesmanlike performance of Southgate and his team (putting our national leadership to shame), the ugly side of the game was once again displayed almost from the off with booing and cat calling in evidence every time the Italians took possession of the ball.

At this particular time, with brexit still warm from the oven and the overt nationalism that was required to be stoked in order to bring this about, the further stoking of xenophobia amongst the population is the last thing we need. Lord Frost is out there attempting to try to sidestep the agreement that he signed up to in respect of the Northern Ireland Protocol (and blaming the EU for its intransigence because they require us to abide by the said deal) and it is only a matter of time before this comes home to roost in the form of 'cunts with guns' and bodies on the streets.

So the bottom line is that we have watched Southgate and his lads represent their country in a way that should make us all proud - and we as a nation should step up to the plate and show an equal degree of dignity and pride in the sportsmanlike acceptance of our defeat. The Italian people are our friends. The French people are our friends. The European people and the EU that represent them are our friends. The sooner we take this on board and require that those we elect to lead us do so as well, the better it will be for all. There are hard times coming; we do not need to be making enemies of our neighbors across the Channel with whom we have far more in common than is suggested by the minor things that separate us, but on which this self-centred and duplicitous administration would far prefer us to concentrate.
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I lived in London in the nineteen eighties. Based as I was, close to Upton Park, the West Ham football ground, I was very often caught up in the hordes of fans moving too and from the stadium on match days and it could be an unnerving experience at the best of times. Always drunk, very rowdy and boisterous in their behaviour, their mood and frame of mind was very dependent upon how things had progressed on the field, and woe betide you if you fell foul of a particularly angry group on your way home, for the beatings could be dished out for little or no reason if the mood took them. Broken windows and smashed telephone boxes were a fact of life on match days - but no-one much minded that.....windows could be repaired.

But undoubtedly the worst days were when the Hammers were pitted against their old rivals Millwall and F-Troop (aka the Bushwhackers) came up against the Inter City Firm. These organised hooligan groups (of Millwall and West Ham respectively) were notorious for their random and spontaneous acts of violence - violence that would easily be directed toward any unfortunate passerby if members of the opposing firms were not to be found - and it was a brave person who would take the underground from Stratford or Upton Park at turning out times on match days. Sitting isolated on a tube carriage with nothing but drunk Millwall supporters surrounding you was enough to make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. You knew your fate hung in the balance of the mindset of a slow-churning moil of pent up violence and malevolence that could any moment, any moment, turn it's attention towards you. Standard procedure in the days following such matches was to see the underground and London Transport staff labouring with scrapers to remove the stickers of gorillas with "Send them home!" written on them, from walls and windows, lampposts and railings along the routes of the fans going home. Match days became major police operations as forces strove to keep the rival fan groups separated, and sometimes this involved closing down whole stations and blocking entire roads in order to do so. Far right groupings had traditionally found their recruitment material in the charged and nationalistic atmosphere of the football grounds and this was absolutely evident in the detritus and damage, the postings and graffiti that match days left behind.

This has been a phenomenon of football since it's earliest days and the rivalry between West Ham fans and their Millwall counterparts goes right back into the earliest days of the twentieth century with the Den (the Millwall football ground) having had to be closed on numerous occasions since this time, because of violent confrontations with rival fans. It was traditional for the dockers (a notoriously tough breed of men) from either side to use match days in order to settle old scores and the decline of the docks notwithstanding, the practice has remained: I suppose it just satisfies some inherent need in the people of these deprived communities to fan up rivalries and then battle them out against each other, rather than to direct their anger against the administrations that have failed them, the society that has ignored their needs, pretending that the problems of ignorance and poverty are someone else's rather than their own.

But anyways, after a brief hiatus it seems that football hooliganism is back on the agenda. Match stewards on the gate were terrorised by knife wielding 'fans' who had left a trail of destruction in their earlier wake. Police were needed to quell the anger and frustration of fans who had failed to get tickets, an unknown number of whom burst through the gates into the ground, satisfying their desire to see the game, but simultaneously inflicting damage on our chances of hosting a future world cup for which we are preparing a bid as I post. But this is it: so ends a glorious period in which our national team did us proud - and we responded as we always do, by crapping all over them. Welcome to our world 2021 style and don't be too surprised. After all - this is England!
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LOL, I lived up the road from Stamford Bridge in the mid-90's. Many's the day the streets were jammed with crowds of supporters, not a few of whom it seems used our front door as a convenient urinal.

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Just watched the six o clock news and spent most of the program listening to condemnation of the racist attacks on the black footballers that has occurred since our loosing the Euro's - much of it (the condemnation) from Ministers of the Government.

Then to finish we had the report that the entire parliamentary conservative party had voted to cut our overseas aid budget in contravention of the Tory manifesto pledge that it would be maintained at 0.7 percent of the national income. I mean, where the fuck do these people think that the racism in this country is coming from? What kind of message is this sending out, if we as one of the wealthiest countries in the world refuse to meet our commitments to the poorest nations on earth and how do these MPs think that people interpret this?

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Speaking on the soccer, I did feel sorry for the young 19 year old, Saka. That's a lot of pressure to absorb as the 5th penalty taker. I think Southgate and the England managers miscalculated who should take the penalties, considering there were some experienced players omitted.

The thing that irked me most was that most of the English team removed their runner-up medals after they were presented with them. I understand the disappointment, but it came across as sour-grapes to me. Apart from that, they look like a cohesive team and should go well in next year's World Cup.
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Out shopping yesterday, I visited a couple of supermarkets in my attempts to find something to cook for Mrs P for dinner. There seemed to be rather more 'off sales' (as they are known in the trade - gaps on the shelves where the product normally situated therein was unavailable) than usual and I assumed that it was probably down to the stores not having caught up from the Monday 'break' in the usually constant stream of deliveries. I had been called at work on Sunday afternoon by a lady from our franchise head office and told that our chilled delivery for the Monday would not be made due to a shortage of drivers, and had assumed that they had all booked time off so they could enjoy a drink on the Sunday without risking their licences by driving 'over the limit' in the early hours of Monday morning.

This situation in the supermarkets yesterday seemed to imply that the 'hangover' was ongoing and that the deliveries had not managed to catch up on the shortfall (such is the speed of food turn-over in a shop or supermarket). I mentioned this to my wife, but she had an alternative explanation. Her friends brother (she said) works as a driver, and via her she learnt that due to the ending of the residency permits of EU drivers in the UK due to brexit, they have all had to leave the country or re-apply for new permits. Many, if not a majority it seems, have chosen to quit the country rather than do so in order to remain, with the result that the great food-chain distribution service is disrupted, the effects of which we see on our shelves.

Typically this has not been reported in our media, because nothing that detracts from the great brexit success story must ever be spoken. I repeat, this is the UK 2021, and no wonder that the U wants to, like the drivers of Europe, leave the K with as much alacrity as possible.
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StevieG wrote:Speaking on the soccer, I did feel sorry for the young 19 year old, Saka. That's a lot of pressure to absorb as the 5th penalty taker. I think Southgate and the England managers miscalculated who should take the penalties, considering there were some experienced players omitted.

The thing that irked me most was that most of the English team removed their runner-up medals after they were presented with them. I understand the disappointment, but it came across as sour-grapes to me. Apart from that, they look like a cohesive team and should go well in next year's World Cup.
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The racist abuse heaped upon the young black players who missed their penalties is inexcusable, abhorrent and should be punished.

But from the booing of the national anthems of other countries at the matches (which our PM refused to condemn) to the rioting before the match and the now ubiquitous picture of the 'fan' with the lit flare stuck up his arse, it sums up perfectly what we have become as a nation since the divisive Brexit process and the ascension of a champagne bottle chucking PM who never got over that he is no longer tearing pubs apart as a member of the Bullingdon and has since raised his game to doing it to the country instead. The UK has historically always been a rough cousin to its European neighbors (the British aristocracy was never in the same league of refinement as say that of the Spanish or French), but we as a nation have sunk to a new low in terms of the general behaviour and mindset of the populace. That this has been both influenced and fostered by the example and ideologies of our leadership and the media that serves them, there is no doubt. Drip fed a constant stream of nationalist thinking, of xenophobia toward the other, of selfishness and unrestraint in behaviour of their leaders and influencers, the people have become nasty, brutish and ill-behaved. But still, we brought it on themselves and have only ourselves to blame. A case of making beds and lying in them.

As for our chances in the forthcoming world cup, I have no idea apart from knowing that it will be a long time coming before such an event is held in the UK again. Again, these fucking cretins masquerading as football supporters have only themselves to blame.
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