AATE Suppositions w/ FR Spoilers ! Read at your own risk!

Post by **DWOLF** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:48 am

Two quick little things to think about for the future of the Land and the story....

- the flowery field where Linden and Thomas meet as children in Chron2..

- two thousand haruchai challenged Lord Kevin, and five hundred became the Bloodguard. That Insequent had defeated five hundred of them, beforehand. Coincidence??

PS Everytime i read the word Liand I think it says - Linden .. it confuses my eyes and shakes my momentum....

Wed May 06, 2009 12:15 am

Since the Island of the One Tree and easy access to the Worm of the World's End sank beneath the waves at the end of TOT, I'm wondering how they're going to get at it this time.

Hopefully, SRD will think of a fresh angle, but since there are Giants in the Land again, I'm deathly afraid that it's going to involve another interminable and mindnumbingly tedious sea voyage, ala TOT.

I love the Giants, but I don't think I can take another marathon cruise aboard one of their dromonds.

Post by **shadowbinding shoe** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:30 pm

Demondim-spawn wrote:Since the Island of the One Tree and easy access to the Worm of the World's End sank beneath the waves at the end of TOT, I'm wondering how they're going to get at it this time.

Hopefully, SRD will think of a fresh angle, but since there are Giants in the Land again, I'm deathly afraid that it's going to involve another interminable and mindnumbingly tedious sea voyage, ala TOT.

I love the Giants, but I don't think I can take another marathon cruise aboard one of their dromonds.

It would be The Love Boat

Post by **wayfriend** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:46 pm

... and Stave would be the Captain.

But seriously... why would the One Tree be involved again?

I think, when the Worm of the World's End wakes up, it wakes up everywhere, if you see what I mean.

Or do you think that TC and Linden would need to go there to derouse it?

Wed May 06, 2009 11:23 pm

I don't think it has anything further to do with the One Tree. I'm just saying that the Worm is awakening, and the Giants are back, and I fear we're in for another 500 page sea voyage that I'd rather not take.

Especially if it turns out to be as immediately fruitless as the last one.

Post by **Vraith** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:29 pm

wayfriend wrote:

Or do you think that TC and Linden would need to go there to derouse it?

Derouse?
[[Linden stands before the Worm. Rife with Power, Apt for destruction.
"Beige," Linden mutters, "I think I'll paint the Universe beige."
Struck dumb, potency obliterated, the Worm shrinks, sags, withdraws, turns aside and returns to sleep.]]

Post by **danlo** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:45 am

re-rouse

Thu May 07, 2009 12:07 pm

DWOLF wrote: two thousand haruchai challenged Lord Kevin, and five hundred became the Bloodguard. That Insequent had defeated five hundred of them, beforehand. Coincidence??

That's an interesting observation. Those that were defeated by the Insequent were those chosen from among the 2000 to serve Kevin. Mayhap.

How long after their encounter with the Insequent did they encounter Kevin? I don't remember if there was any mention of that in the story. Maybe it happened too long after for any of the Haruchai who met the Insequent to still be living when the Haruchai met Kevin. But a connection of some kind seems likely.

DWOLF wrote:PS Everytime i read the word Liand I think it says - Linden .. it confuses my eyes and shakes my momentum....

Same here. It's irksome.

wayfriend wrote:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Post by **Seareach** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:16 pm

wayfriend wrote:

Gosh, that cracks me up! I love it!

Post by **shadowbinding shoe** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:31 pm

Just so we could could look at it once more:

wayfriend wrote:... and Stave would be the Captain.

Bad wayfriend. You totally oneupmanned my Love-ship joke.

(Hey, where did this come from?)

Post by **wayfriend** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:51 pm

Who else but Stave could captain the Love Boat?

The image came from this thread.

Post by **spoonchicken** » Fri May 08, 2009 6:46 am

Demondim-spawn wrote:Since the Island of the One Tree and easy access to the Worm of the World's End sank beneath the waves at the end of TOT, I'm wondering how they're going to get at it this time.

I love the Giants, but I don't think I can take another marathon cruise aboard one of their dromonds.

Immediately after the One Tree sank, Findail said words to the effect of "the Tree isn't destroyed; it just went back into hiding. Don't worry about it." It's still accessable (somehow, somewhere...) And I agreee completely about loving the Giants, but NOT looking foward to another sea voyage. P.S.: "Asshole Leper Hero" ?!?!?!?! OMG !!!!!

Post by **Atom** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:54 pm

One thought - We've had several crossovers into The Land from Earth... what if by the end of AATE, LF has found a way to make a trip into our world? What if all the subterfuge and baiting of LA has been to get her to destroy the Arch right at the moment when he slips away out of reach into our world. Imagine - the Land gone, LA standing amongst the ruins of creation, and realizing that she missed her target...

Tue May 12, 2009 11:04 pm

I can see Lord Foul standing in Times Square bellowing his scorn and derision at our world while taxi drivers are swerving past shaking their fists and cursing at him like he's just another crazy.

Here's another thought: If TC remains flesh and blood for the remainder of the story, will he then be able to return to our world and live happily ever after with LA? (Assuming she can survive her gunshot wound.)

Post by **wayfriend** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:22 pm

I don't think TC can go back.

For one, the rule is, if you're dead in the real world, you don't go back. It doesn't matter what you are in the Land.

For the other, my opinion is that Donaldson doesn't write stories where people don't have to pay for their sacrifices. Covenant forewent returning to the real world so he could save the Land; the meaning of that sacrifice should not be undone.

Of course... I'm certain to be wrong.

Wed May 13, 2009 9:42 pm

wayfriend wrote:I don't think TC can go back.

For one, the rule is, if you're dead in the real world, you don't go back. It doesn't matter what you are in the Land.

For the other, my opinion is that Donaldson doesn't write stories where people don't have to pay for their sacrifices. Covenant forewent returning to the real world so he could save the Land; the meaning of that sacrifice should not be undone.

Of course... I'm certain to be wrong.

No, no, you're right. I wasn't thinking it through. TC's body has been in the ground for ten long years in our world.

Even SRD wouldn't mess with that, even if he could think of a way of writing around it.

Or would he? :gulp:

Post by **finn** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:19 am

But what if TC went back to the world from High Lord Kevin's time? What if the Arch of Time is broken, TC released or "un-melded" and able to choose when he returns (presumably when there is a body waiting for him).

The rule you refer to WF was almost certainly "bent" by the creator in earlier chronicles.

Post by **Vader** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:26 am

Since I'm pretty sure TC is the Creator he can bend the rules the way he wants. He'll take Roger's body since the spirit of his son gets destroyed in the final battle.

Post by **wayfriend** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:08 pm

That's an interesting thought. It ties in with the concept of possession. And Donaldson did go to some length to say how much Roger resembled his father.

Of course, it depends on Roger not being shot dead in the real world.

Post by **Vader** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:21 pm

The Creator has already saved a potentially dead Covenant at the end of the first chronicles. Why shouldn't Covenant be able to pull that trick again? He'll probably also save Linden.

Just imagine the reborn Roger/TC telling Linden with a Yoda voice: "My father I am."

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AATE Suppositions w/ FR Spoilers ! Read at your own risk!