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I have a gut feeling you will fall in love with Michael, from Stranger in a Strange Land, Cambo. I know I did.
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Never read Stranger? Damn, do yourself a favour man.

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Yes read Stranger, and while you're at it read The Stranger by Camus (but you, probably, already have) whatever you do DON'T stop at Neverness-you must read The Broken God as well.
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Yeah, I second that. Neverness is more like a prologue...

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Absolutely. All of the Neverness books are fantastic.
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(OK, now I'll proselytize, and while you're at it join my Zindell based board and the Watch's sister board by clicking my www below [you might even find some familiar faces :wink: ])
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Heh Danlo, you wouldn't make a very good missionary. Too softly spoken. I've been lurking round Ahira's Hangar a couple of times. Thought I'd read the book before I joined. :)
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I'm a member of Ahira's Hangar, Cambo. Have been for awhile. I have yet to read any Zindell...
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Dam, now he'll never join! 8O

















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I already did, danlo. At least I registered, probably about a year ago. Had to in order to get at some recipes that came highly recommended. Don't think I've ever posted there though...
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Menolly wrote:I'm a member of Ahira's Hangar, Cambo. Have been for awhile. I have yet to read any Zindell...
Huh, maybe we should ban her... ;) :lol:

Nah, just kidding. It's not a requirement. We're (slowly) doing a Dune group read too...you like Dune don't you? ;)

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Avatar wrote:We're (slowly) doing a Dune group read too...you like Dune don't you? ;)
Have we mentioned the Earthsea group read as well?

I'm still hoping for a little more response to chapter 2 of The Farthest Shore, before chapter 3 goes up...
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I have The Earthsea Quartet and Dune (yes, Av, I love that series). Maybe you'll see me there soon. :) Although it's been a long time since I've read Earthsea, so perhaps a re-read of the first two is in order.
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We've already done AWoE and ToA in the group read, but new comments are always welcome! Feel free to read the dissections for each chapter as you reread the first two books.

I, for one, will look forward to seeing you there and reading what you have to say.
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Menolly wrote: I'm still hoping for a little more response to chapter 2 of The Farthest Shore, before chapter 3 goes up...
Kind of hard to respond-you wrote a fricking thesis on it! :biggrin: (not to mention duchys 8 page historical essay :P )
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Menolly wrote: I'm still hoping for a little more response to chapter 2 of The Farthest Shore, before chapter 3 goes up...
Kind of hard to respond-you wrote a fricking thesis on it! :biggrin:
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Cambo wrote:(yes, Av, I love that series).
I somehow suspected you would. :lol:

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Post by Cambo »

Bump!

Transpersonal Psychology and Integral Spirituality

Studied these in my Mysticism class last year. I see them as more an intellectual influence than a purely spiritual one, but they provide some interesting frameworks to view spirituality from, so we might as well take a look. :)

Transpersonal Psychology first sprung up in the sixties as a section of the psychological community, involved or interested in the counter-culture, became convinced there was something lacking in the field. Basically they felt that psychology made a mistake in ignoring spiritual aspects of a person, and the very real influence they have on a person's mind. Transpersonal psychology posits that not only should spiritual matters be acknowledged, if a person shows a tendency toward spirituality, it should be actively encouraged as an important part of their psyche. They don't blindly sing spirituality's praises, though; a huge part of the field is exploring dangers and pathologies inherent in spiritual matters.

Integral Spirituality is the brainchild of Ken Wilber, who was involved in Transpersonal Psychology early in his career, but split away to do his own thing. One suspects there may be bad blood there, but both sides are pretty closed mouthed about it. Several scholars have predicted that the next major revolution in thought, following postmodernism, will involve a shift to Integral thinking, a recognition of the merits and deficiencies of the schools of thought that came before, and the incorporation of the merits into a new paradigm. Wilber believes that this paradigm will be one of greater spirituality, Integral thought in his mind having the logical conclusion that all things are Integrated, that the Kosmos is all One. I'm not exactly sold on this theory. I think some form of consciousness revolution is inevitable; it's been happening at an accelerating rate throughout human history; but I doubt that it will lead to a general increase in spirituality. I think, as always, there will be people who choose to interpret it in a spiritual matter, and those who don't. Wilber's conception of the divine is almost identical to mine, however, so I find some of his interpretative frameworks very interesting. [/i]
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Great thread. Cambo, time for updating.
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Whoo boy, lots to put down. Lots of change. I'll have a think and work on it.

One major change that stuck out for me is that I've kind of drifted away from intensely spiritual and esoteric matters, fringe schools like transpersonal psychology in particular. I still meditate, I still believe in an underlying conscious force animating the universe, but these concepts simply have less impact on my day-to-day life than they did back then. Interesting to see the contrast.
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