I think danlo's post almost sums it up for me too, except for the fact that I DO discuss these things, at length.

Not becuase I'm trying to change anyones mind, but because I'm trying to understand everyone's mind.
I certainly hope Zeph reconsiders, for the simple reason that I enjoy his posts here, and enjoy discussing them. However, because my perspective on the issue is completely different to his, I also respect his choice, if he chooses not to participate.
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