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JemCheeta wrote:
Gen. 38:8-10 - Onan is killed by God for practicing contraception (withdrawal) and spilling his semen on the ground.
Boy. I'm liking this 'God' guy less and less as time goes on.
Well, here's another interpretation of the passage, from David Guzik:
3. (8-10) Onan's refusal to raise up offspring for Tamar

a. According to the custom of levirate marriage (later codified into law in Deuteronomy 25:5-10
), if a man died before providing sons to his wife, it was the duty of his brothers to "marry" her and to give her sons. The child would be considered the son of the brother who had died, because really the living brother was acting in his place


i. This was done so that the dead brother's name would be carried on; but also, so that the widow would have children who could support her. Apart from this, she would likely live the rest of her life as a destitute widow

b. Onan refused to take this responsibility seriously; he was more than happy to use Tamar for his own sexual gratification, but he did not want to give Tamar a son that he would have to support, but would be considered to be the son of Er
c. Onan pursued sex as only a pleasurable experience; if he really didn't want to father a child by Tamar, why did he have sex with her at all? He refused to fulfill his obligation to his dead brother and Tamar

d. Many Christians have used this passage as a proof-text against masturbation; indeed, masturbation has been called "onanism." However, this does not seem to be the case here; whatever Onan was doing, he was not masturbating! This was not a sin of masturbation, but a sin of refusing to care for his brother's widow by giving her offspring, and of a selfish use of sex
God didn't like Onan's abuse of Tamar, and his shirking his responsibility.
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Cyber: I trust God, but I don't throw myself off a bridge to prove that trust. I have insurance so my family isn't burdened. I trust God, but still have to live in this world. (render unto Caesar...)
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That's my point dennis. But one of your passages to back up bc being wrong had to do w/trusting God, and bc means you don't trust God. But doesn't your point apply to that passage?
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Cyber: sorry, which one are we talking about?
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Thank you Cyberweez, as with all biblical passages, it's always in the context.
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dennisrwood wrote:Cyber: sorry, which one are we talking about?
dennisrwood wrote: 1 Chron. 25:5 - God exalts His people by blessing with many children. Contraception = not your will God, but my will be done.
--Andy

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Jemcheeta, just remember I could be wrong too. That's why its important to know the Bible very well in order to understand particular passages. The Bible as a whole is very complete, and can best answer its own questions.
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Oh, we could all be wrong about a lot of things, but for me to maintain my respect for the bible as a holy text, I like to choose interpretations that upset me the least.
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:LOLS: I prefer to choose interpretations that upset me the most, as it gives more more to argue against. ;)

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LOL. Altho you say that in jest, many people do exactly just that.
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