Kevin's Watch

some say that with out Syd there is no Pink Floyd.

I like all phases of Floyd. and I think that the band could go on, recruiting younger members until no original members were left.

Lord Foul wrote: If I had a time machine, I'd definitely love to see Floyd performing pre-Dark Side, when folks still thought of them as the Gods of London's underground. A smaller venue is just more appealing/intimate to me. They also had that whole quadraphonic trickery going around the entire room, so stuff sounded like it was behind and above you.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but they had the quadraphonic sound on the Division Bell tour, too. Except that it spanned an entire arena. I was in the middle of the floor, so I had a perfect 3-d quad image. When the spotlights on booms hovered over the crowd to the sound of helicopter sound-effects, it really seemed like a helicopter flying over us.

Of course, the best effect was the fact that I couldn't tell when the actual concert had begun. It seemed to sneak up on us beneath all the soundchecks and sound effects. The music seemed to come from a vast distance, finally thundering into the arena with Astronomy Domine. Incredible.

I dunno, I'm glad they left while they still "had it" or "some of it". Personally, I don't think they've been on top of their game since The Wall, despite enjoying The Final Cut and Division Bell (one could argue that both albums are Waters and Gilmour solo albums, respectively).

Anyway: wouldn't want the Floyd becoming anymore of a dinosaur band than it is. I doubt a new album would be able to crawl out from the shadow of their 70s material. Best let the ship sail out into sunset! Live 8 was certainly a fine note to go out on, to be sure.

Malik23 wrote:

Lord Foul wrote: If I had a time machine, I'd definitely love to see Floyd performing pre-Dark Side, when folks still thought of them as the Gods of London's underground. A smaller venue is just more appealing/intimate to me. They also had that whole quadraphonic trickery going around the entire room, so stuff sounded like it was behind and above you.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but they had the quadraphonic sound on the Division Bell tour, too.

Was no point. Just like smaller concerts, much the same way Waters did (who conversely loathed stadium venues).

Wayfriend, it was at the end of either Signs of Life or On the Run, can't remember which. They were showing a film of a guy in a bed rolling all over the place, ending up at an airport, and taking off.

Sgt. wrote:I like all phases of Floyd. and I think that the band could go on, recruiting younger members until no original members were left

. No! Images of Rockstar INXS roar by!

sgtnull wrote:some say that with out Syd there is no Pink Floyd.

yeah but that's Roger Waters' PIG up there iddenit, Sarge.

i'm not denegrating any other band members' contribution, i'm just saying it's not Floyd without Waters...and GILMOUR knows that. Syd never really left the band because Syd was WATERS' muse (i think). once waters and gilmour spilt, pink floyd was over. that's my opinion. anybody is free to disagree, but that's what i think.

Luci, I respectfully disagree. MLoR and TDB are two outstanding albums that are pure PF. Gilmour (and Wright and Mason) is as much a part of the PF sound as Waters ever was.

Luci, absolutely agree. As I've said, Waters' contributions to the band were my favorite. (I think you're right about Syd, by the way, as Waters' inspiration.) Anything post-Waters doesn't compare to the rest of their catalogue, in my opinion.

Cail, how can they be pure Pink Floyd without Waters' lyrics? Gilmour is an awful lyricist. I think that's what doesn't do it for the "Gilmour era" Floyd.

Speaking of the Floyd: must get their PULSE DVD soon. Been waiting for that thing forever!

Cail wrote:Luci, I respectfully disagree. MLoR and TDB are two outstanding albums that are pure PF. Gilmour (and Wright and Mason) is as much a part of the PF sound as Waters ever was.

and equally as respectfully...think of King Crimson. all i'm saying is...it's a different combination with a different emphasis...different muse altogether...even tho these three players are 3/4's of Pink Floyd or 3/5's, however you look at it, and its not Floydoid without waters. its gilmour, wright, and mason. and i think waters brought something to the ensemble that changed it, made it Floyd. thats as articulate as i can be in stating this most subJECTive kind of opinion. i don't know as i can prove or disprove my point by getting more detailed in my analysis or not, but i'll just start out by saying waters' theatricality is what made it a Floyd show...Gilmour Wright and Mason LEARNED THAT and learned it well, but they learned it from Waters. and waters was inspired by barrett. of course you could always counter that they did it everybit as good with or without waters. and i'd agrEE with that.
call me stubborn.

Lord Foul wrote:Exploding beds?! Oh, right, it's a Floyd concert.

If I had a time machine, I'd definitely love to see Floyd performing pre-Dark Side, when folks still thought of them as the Gods of London's underground. A smaller venue is just more appealing/intimate to me. They also had that whole quadraphonic trickery going around the entire room, so stuff sounded like it was behind and above you.

Exploding bed was during On The Run.

Dark Side Of The Moon was premiered almost ONE YEAR before being released on vinyl.
(Rumour had it that it was called "Eclipse" tour.)
Also, DSOTM was already in the works as Pink Floyd
was finishing the Meddle studio cuts.
(I have a LOT of cassettes with interviews and tidbits from the band.
My personal favorite is Roger Waters & Friends doing The Wall, at the Berlin Wall,
as it was broadcast live from Germany.
It has commentary, interviews, and when the concert stopped near the beginning and re-started.
Unfortunatly, it was NOT televised here in the U.S., as where it was in Europe.
The released video has none of these things.)

Seen them here in Tampa for both Momentary Lapse Of Reason & The Division Bell
and they still had the quadraphonic sound system.
The laser lights were UNFORGETTABLE!
During the DB show, air traffic had to be re-routed to Tampa Airport
due to the lasers shooting out of Tampa Stadium.
(Yes, that's when we still had the "Old Sombraro" stadium.)

Also seen Roger Waters on his Pros & Cons Of Hitch Hiking tour and enjoyed the theatrics and concept idea.
Seen David Gilmour during About Face and IMO, the music was better.
Both played some Pink Floyd material and here's what I thought:
Waters had the voice and visuals that were better;
Gilmour had the sound and style that was better.
Put them together - they are dynamite.
Separate - they are missing a piece of the whole Floyd image.

But without Syd, there wouldn't had been Pink Floyd!

As I've said before, they're better together. However, Gilmour is by far the better musician, and I'd put anything on AMLoR against anything Roger has done.

And don't even get me started about About Face, which is one of the best albums ever recorded.

Gilmour is definitely a much, much better musician, but again, Waters is a profoundly good lyricist, and it's pretty obvious that he was the dominant creative force behind that band from Dark Side onwards, until, of course, he left.

(Is About Face a Gilmour solo album?)

I guess it's just a matter of POV, really. I think there's always been a Gilmour-Waters divide among PF fans.

i''d say that from the last two albums there have been many classic Pink Floyd songs.

Learning To Fly, Dogs of War, On the Turning Away, Sorrow, What Do You Want From Me, Wearing the Inside Out, Coming Back To Life, Keep Talking.

and the idea of Floyd continuing came from Gilmour as he was recruiting people like Guy Pratt and Gary Wallis.

About Face is a solo Gilmour, the first was eponymous and the third (recent one) is titled On An Island.

but it doesn't look like Gilmour favors a reunion now. Waters seems in favor though.

I'd rather they didn't get back together. Waters is on tour now, and his voice sucks badly now.

Yeah, it's way too late for them to get back together now.

Waters is great when he's writing about insanity, but I think both Sorrow and Yet Another Movie are superior to anything Waters wrote post-Floyd.

Cheval wrote:(I have a LOT of cassettes with interviews and tidbits from the band.
My personal favorite is Roger Waters & Friends doing The Wall, at the Berlin Wall,
as it was broadcast live from Germany.
It has commentary, interviews, and when the concert stopped near the beginning and re-started.
Unfortunatly, it was NOT televised here in the U.S., as where it was in Europe.
The released video has none of these things.)

It was broadcast on FM. I taped it.

You gotta love Van Morrison's rendition of comfortably Numb.

I lurve Pink Floyd, and I wasn't even around at their peak.

[/Spring's two cents]

Wayfriend wrote:

Cheval wrote:(I have a LOT of cassettes with interviews and tidbits from the band.
My personal favorite is Roger Waters & Friends doing The Wall, at the Berlin Wall,
as it was broadcast live from Germany.
It has commentary, interviews, and when the concert stopped near the beginning and re-started.
Unfortunatly, it was NOT televised here in the U.S., as where it was in Europe.
The released video has none of these things.)

It was broadcast on FM. I taped it.

You gotta love Van Morrison's rendition of comfortably Numb.

That's where I recorded it from also.
Van Morrison... uh, yeah.

oddly enough I really enjoyed Bryan Adams on the album. (he did Young Lust and Empty Spaces) it could be that it is the only full version of Empty Spaces out there?