What fantasy/science fiction book are you reading RIGHT NOW?
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Finished Beasts by John Crowley, on to Engine Summer by... John Crowley.
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Just finished A Game of Thrones. It wasn't until I was about half way through that I realised I was doing a reread
) I'd thought I'd started and not finished the book a couple of times before but I didn't remember reading the whole thing.)
Anyway. I see the attraction of the books for people but it's just not my cup of tea. From my point of view nothing significant happened in the whole book. Yeah, there was a lot of intrigue; yeah, there were a couple of big battles; yeah, some significant characters met their end, but, at the level of what fantasy is supposed to do (according to SRD), nothing of significance happened.
Now granted the book may be setting the scene for what's to come, but I have my doubts. If you can't convey the sense of what's at stake in the first book in a series why would you expect readers to hang around for the second? What this felt like to me was a fantasy-style soap-opera. And this is probably why it failed to stick in my memory. It reminded me of people like Feist or Hobb, but they actually do the fantasy job quite well (well Feist did in his early books anyway).
This was more like reheated and sexed-up historical fiction (the War of the Roses, maybe) with a bit of grimdark thrown in for good measure (that GRRM may have invented grimdark is not to his credit
).
The only character that seemed more than two-dimensional to me was Tyrion Lannister (and I was surprised to find Tywin Lannister impressive as well when we finally met him. I didn't remember that from my first read and it may be that this time I was sick to my back teeth of the honourable but annoying Starks
)
I don't have the second book, so let me know if you think it's an improvement on the first and worth reading.
u.

Anyway. I see the attraction of the books for people but it's just not my cup of tea. From my point of view nothing significant happened in the whole book. Yeah, there was a lot of intrigue; yeah, there were a couple of big battles; yeah, some significant characters met their end, but, at the level of what fantasy is supposed to do (according to SRD), nothing of significance happened.
Now granted the book may be setting the scene for what's to come, but I have my doubts. If you can't convey the sense of what's at stake in the first book in a series why would you expect readers to hang around for the second? What this felt like to me was a fantasy-style soap-opera. And this is probably why it failed to stick in my memory. It reminded me of people like Feist or Hobb, but they actually do the fantasy job quite well (well Feist did in his early books anyway).
This was more like reheated and sexed-up historical fiction (the War of the Roses, maybe) with a bit of grimdark thrown in for good measure (that GRRM may have invented grimdark is not to his credit

The only character that seemed more than two-dimensional to me was Tyrion Lannister (and I was surprised to find Tywin Lannister impressive as well when we finally met him. I didn't remember that from my first read and it may be that this time I was sick to my back teeth of the honourable but annoying Starks

I don't have the second book, so let me know if you think it's an improvement on the first and worth reading.
u.
Tho' all the maps of blood and flesh
Are posted on the door,
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What Boogie Street is for.
Are posted on the door,
There's no one who has told us yet
What Boogie Street is for.
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Well, turns out I read The Golden Apple before I read Engine Summer by John Crowley. And I'm going to say this now: there is no way Illuminatus! will be able to top Engine Summer. That's not an insult to Illumintaus!, it is just not in the same league.
Now, on to Leviathan!
Now, on to Leviathan!
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"All creation is a huge, ornate, imaginary, and unintended fiction; if it could be deciphered it would yield a single shocking word."
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Govern the reasoning creature, man.
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u., if you thought nothing happened in Game of Thrones, don't even bother with the rest of the series. Books 4 and 5 *really* don't have any plot movement to speak of.
Still finishing up the research for the final Pipe Woman Chronicles book, but that should be done this week, and then I can start reading for fun again.
Still finishing up the research for the final Pipe Woman Chronicles book, but that should be done this week, and then I can start reading for fun again.



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