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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:23 am
by Fist and Faith
Dr. Doom does. Did you see their initial meeting, when they went back in time to Camelot? #149-150.
Forge was (is?) damned good, too. One of them muties! Heh.
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:23 am
by jwaneeta
Phoenix, Carol Danvers (as Binary), and Rogue.
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:47 am
by sgt.null
well Doom also adds magic, so he may have an edge...
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:30 pm
by Fist and Faith
jwaneeta wrote:Phoenix, Carol Danvers (as Binary), and Rogue.
Argh! I forgot Rogue! Yeah,
veeeeeeeery tough! Remember Avengers Annual #10, where she took them all out by herself?!? (Drawn by Michael Golden. Amazing artist!) And she did a ton of very impressive stuff as an X-Man.
sgtnull wrote:well Doom also adds magic, so he may have an edge...
Although magic was always a part of his history, I can't think of a single instance where he actually used any. But I'm told that changed in recent years, before Reed trapped him in Hell. (Which he got out of.)
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:54 pm
by sgt.null
it may be a What If where Doom really uses the magic. I can't imagine he is a master of the craft, but could always pull it out as a surprise if losing? then again he may need much prep time that Strange, Mordo and the others would not need?
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:06 pm
by Fist and Faith
Not that Doom isn't a mage of very good ability. Amazing Spiderman Annual #14, written by Denny O'Neil and drawn by Frank Miller, has Doom and Dormammu in league. Dr. Strange receives a weird gift, evil monster attacks, a betrayer imprisoned within a magical crystal, etc. I guess I'm talking about his fighting. I've never seen him cast a spell against an opponent, summoning a shield as protection or anything. His armor is apparently sufficient for any battle.
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:29 pm
by sgt.null
how is it possible that Doom is in the same league as Dormammu? isn't Dormammu a demon?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:02 am
by Fist and Faith
I didn't say they were in the same league. They were working together.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:40 pm
by sgt.null
oh, sorry, my bad!
so who is are the best fighters, non powered in the Marvel Universe? does Shang-Chi rank #1?