Kevin's Watch

I wonder if Peter also got some of his healing power (or other powers) from Syler since both were lying next to each other after falling before Syler got up. I knew that idiot Peter would be booked as the killer of the cheerleader by sitting on his fanny that whole time till the cops came; he lacks the power of getting-the-hell-out-of-there-with-all-this-blood-on-me wisdom.

Hmm the skinny chick: now does she has ability to block Syler or was the other guy able to block Syler from attacking skinny chick (which means he has a rather large circle of effect)? Also, she seems to either be playing both Clair's dad and Sylar, or the Dad and Sylar are in cahoots, except for the attacking Clair part of deal...or...aw dang...that bit is just too confusing to figure out yet without more info....

Good ep, though. Good to see Hiro pop in at the end back in time for the picture. I guess he doesn't save her in time though, cause back in present time the locals were still mourning her death; if Hiro had saved her the local's would not be mourning.

Kil Tyme wrote:I wonder if Peter also got some of his healing power (or other powers) from Syler since both were lying next to each other after falling before Syler got up. I knew that idiot Peter would be booked as the killer of the cheerleader by sitting on his fanny that whole time till the cops came; he lacks the power of getting-the-hell-out-of-there-with-all-this-blood-on-me wisdom.

Hmm the skinny chick: now does she has ability to block Syler or was the other guy able to block Syler from attacking skinny chick (which means he has a rather large circle of effect)? Also, she seems to either be playing both Clair's dad and Sylar, or the Dad and Sylar are in cahoots, except for the attacking Clair part of deal...or...aw dang...that bit is just too confusing to figure out yet without more info....

Peter wasn't in contact with Sylar long enough, I don't think, to absorb any power from him. I think if he were, it would have been used.

As far as Eden is concerned, she has power of suggestion, or persuasion through her words. We've seen it before. . . I believe that is how she gets close to people like Mohinder's father, etc. I think Sylar is independent. . . a power-hungry person with delusions of godhood. . or at least superhumanity. He aims to collect all of the superabilites that he can. What is his ultimate plan once he has all of these powers? Who knows?

For fun, go here and do some reading:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29


~Lyr

Aelyria Mireiswen wrote:

Kil Tyme wrote:I wonder if Peter also got some of his healing power (or other powers) from Syler since both were lying next to each other after falling before Syler got up. I knew that idiot Peter would be booked as the killer of the cheerleader by sitting on his fanny that whole time till the cops came; he lacks the power of getting-the-hell-out-of-there-with-all-this-blood-on-me wisdom.

Hmm the skinny chick: now does she has ability to block Syler or was the other guy able to block Syler from attacking skinny chick (which means he has a rather large circle of effect)? Also, she seems to either be playing both Clair's dad and Sylar, or the Dad and Sylar are in cahoots, except for the attacking Clair part of deal...or...aw dang...that bit is just too confusing to figure out yet without more info....

Peter wasn't in contact with Sylar long enough, I don't think, to absorb any power from him. I think if he were, it would have been used.

As far as Eden is concerned, she has power of suggestion, or persuasion through her words. We've seen it before. . . I believe that is how she gets close to people like Mohinder's father, etc. I think Sylar is independent. . . a power-hungry person with delusions of godhood. . or at least superhumanity. He aims to collect all of the superabilites that he can. What is his ultimate plan once he has all of these powers? Who knows?

For fun, go here and do some reading:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29


~Lyr

What do you and Kyl think of my theory about Peter having saved the world by being arrested for the murder (at least temporarily) of the other cheerleader? In that, Nathan will be defeated over the bad PR...recall Hiro's earlier NY flashback where Nathan won in a landslide...then BOOM!

What does Nathan winning or loosing have to do with the city being blown up? I would think that by now the means to that end are already well underway, Nathan or no Nathan in office. We haven't even seen who has the bomb nor why even Sylar would want to blow up the city. In fact, nothing we've seen or met has anything to do with a bomb.

I suppose the only connection to validate your theory would be that since Nathan lost (will loose) the election, then he would be free to fly around and bump into the perps who would blow up the city thus leading to their (hopeful) defeat.

I think Gunslinger might be onto something afterall. Here we were thinking that saving Claire would be the climactic event of the season. . . yet it came and went rather quietly. Perhaps saving Claire and getting arrested was enough to keep Nathan from winning the election.

BUT. . . I still think that Sylar may be Nathan. What would Sylar do with more power. . . but maybe something more diabolical. . .like set off a bomb. Why? Who really knows. . . but one thing we seem to have forgotten: the writing in blood on the walls of the secret room. It said: Father, forgive me. Now that could be religious in nature, but I think it isn't. I think he is being literal. Think back to the conversation about Nathan's father. . . he died by suicide, right? Or at least that is what we've been led to believe. . . also remember the talk about his depression. Is this true, or carefully spun rhetoric to cover the fact that Nathan offed his own Dad? Hmmm. .
Of course, I am going completely off of memory here. . . please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

~Lyr, weaver of conspiracies

Kil Tyme wrote:What does Nathan winning or loosing have to do with the city being blown up? I would think that by now the means to that end are already well underway, Nathan or no Nathan in office. We haven't even seen who has the bomb nor why even Sylar would want to blow up the city. In fact, nothing we've seen or met has anything to do with a bomb.

I'm not so sure about that. It was a Nuclear explosion that blew up New York. We have met someone who has an issue with generating Nuclear explosiveness when upset (Ted). And now Dr. Bennett can have both Sylar and Ted in his clutches

I think Nathan's political aspirations are a seperate arc to the Blowing up of New York.

Perhaps. The truth of the matter is that we don't really know enough to make an educated guess, only stabs in the dark.

I just think that it would be more interesting if the meaning behined the phrase "STC,STW" was less obvious than Claire herself going on to save the world somehow, if she is saved.

Whether it has to do with the explosion in NY is one thing, I am guessing that a potential loss by Nathan in the election may be the world saver spmehow... it is fun to speculate!

See, I think Nathan is going to win, and be beholden to his special interests, just as foreshadowing has warned us will happen.

Definitely don't think Claire herself will be the world saver. But I think Peter may need to echo her powers again, during that final act of saving the world. And if she hadn't been saved, she wouldn't be there later.

That could be too....we just don't have enough info! SOMETHING occured that saved the world when Claire was saved...any other ideas?

A Gunslinger wrote:Whether it has to do with the explosion in NY is one thing, I am guessing that a potential loss by Nathan in the election may be the world saver spmehow... it is fun to speculate!

I know, I was just counter-speculating, etc. I don't think radiation man is strong enough to blow up a city. I still maintain we haven't met the "actors" who plan on blowing up the city yet. The previews look awfully interesting for tonight. Recall Future English speaking Hiro said something about Peter not having his scar yet, so I think Peter is some sort of cog in the world saving thing...he did it once with Clair, so will somehow do it again soon. I don't think Nathan is Sylar, either; I certainly hope they don't pull the Good Bro vs Bad Bro thang.

Kil Tyme wrote:

A Gunslinger wrote:Whether it has to do with the explosion in NY is one thing, I am guessing that a potential loss by Nathan in the election may be the world saver spmehow... it is fun to speculate!

I know, I was just counter-speculating, etc. I don't think radiation man is strong enough to blow up a city. I still maintain we haven't met the "actors" who plan on blowing up the city yet. The previews look awfully interesting for tonight. Recall Future English speaking Hiro said something about Peter not having his scar yet, so I think Peter is some sort of cog in the world saving thing...he did it once with Clair, so will somehow do it again soon. I don't think Nathan is Sylar, either; I certainly hope they don't pull the Good Bro vs Bad Bro thang.

Definitely Nathan is not Sylar, unless they pull a fast one on us. we were shown Sylar's eyes in the last episode, and they were not Nathan's. Also, Dr. Bennett knows Sylar, and he has already had Nathan in his hands.

Sylar seems like a distraction to me...not the over reaching evil here. Something much larger is going on...the Jamaican (or whatever he is) is important.

Also...how did Peter and Nathan's father die? I have a wacky theory...

A Gunslinger wrote:Sylar seems like a distraction to me...not the over reaching evil here. Something much larger is going on...the Jamaican (or whatever he is) is important.

I liked the Sylar back story. Explains a few things about how he sees the special powers at work in a persons brain. It also explains the whole watch thing that bugged me in previous episodes.

Did you check out Dr Suresh's expression when Sylar told him it was "their" destiny or duty to find all of the people with special powers? At that point I think Suresh might already have had serious misgivings about Sylar.

Also...how did Peter and Nathan's father die? I have a wacky theory...

Given the Petrelli penchant for flying, or lack thereof, and the father's association with the mob, I'm leaning towards defenestration

OK, very good ep where we learn a bit how some folks first realized their powers. Very sad that Hiro could not do as he intended; it follows the paradox somewhat that you can't change the past to any great extent...one way or another the end will happen. But the good thing is that accordingly perhaps at least in the new time/present Syler doesn't get her powers by chowing down.

Very good Syler beginning storyline, too. And well done Tulizar! I think you are on to something...at least the doomed flying part, if not the defenestration part.

Kil Tyme wrote:OK, very good ep where we learn a bit how some folks first realized their powers. Very sad that Hiro could not do as he intended; it follows the paradox somewhat that you can't change the past to any great extent...one way or another the end will happen.

I was pleased with this. I'm not a big fan of time travel storylines since they're usually not well done--let's go back in time, tinker with an event and save the future.
I'm glad Hiro learned a time travel lesson--you can't alter what's already happened.

So my Sylar theory led nowhere. . . but I don't think we've seen all of the story between Nathan, Peter, and deceased Daddy. The father is said to have died of a heart attack, by the way.

Did anyone else notice that Peter pulled Nathan out of the car. . . that he was holding him in the air? And only when Peter awoke from his dream did Nathan fall as Peter let his hand down? What other powers does Peter have that we don't know about?

And. . . anyone else notice that Mr. Bennett seems to be immune to Eden's powers? Is he also immune to other powers? How did he get this way? Very, very interesting to think about.



~Lyr, pondering

I think Peter was dreaming of what happened to Nathan and his wife in real time, so that's why he knew of what happened; Nathan was flying on his own.

Re Bennett, it's not that he is immune, it's that the other guy (don't know his name yet) is able to block Sylers and Eden's (ergo, any others) effects in a certain radius, which Bennett is aware of and takes advantage of. We've seen this twice now.

Aelyria Mireiswen wrote: The father is said to have died of a heart attack, by the way.

Oh yeah that's right. I do remember Peter talking about that with his mother in the first or second episode.

Did anyone else notice that Peter pulled Nathan out of the car. . . that he was holding him in the air? And only when Peter awoke from his dream did Nathan fall as Peter let his hand down? What other powers does Peter have that we don't know about?

Yeah, I was a little confused about Nathan flying out of the car. I assumed it was an automatic response on his part, but wasn't sure if Peter's dream had more to do with it. Is Peter simply having visions, or is he somehow making physical contact with those he "dreams" about? I agree, there is definitely something big about Peter.

And. . . anyone else notice that Mr. Bennett seems to be immune to Eden's powers? Is he also immune to other powers? How did he get this way? Very, very interesting to think about.

Kil Tyme wrote: Re Bennett, it's not that he is immune, it's that the other guy (don't know his name yet) is able to block Sylers and Eden's (ergo, any others) effects in a certain radius, which Bennett is aware of and takes advantage of. We've seen this twice now.

I thought the Haitian was responsible for blocking Eden's powers also, but when Mr Bennett is alone with Eden in the hospital dealing with Isaac, he could've been manipulated by her since the Haitian wasn't around. Either Bennett is able to block her powers or, at this point (present day) of the story, Eden is willing to work for him for whatever reasons. Perhaps she is on his side now--couldn't resist whatever deal he offered her.

You are right about the Haitian. He is a powers-blocker among other things.

The big question I have is WHO is Mr. Bennet's master?

A Gunslinger wrote:

The big question I have is WHO is Mr. Bennet's master?

Yeah, I don't think he's the one calling the shots. Don't know who is, but hopefully we'll find out next week--the final episode for the fall season.