Yeah, maybe I'll double up and donate again to everybody in here.
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Vraith
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Heh...I don't need a double up, thank you, I was so bored with wgd's I sent 20k to Sarge...you can donate my double up to him, if you like...I think he'd enjoy a triple scoop.
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the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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Cagliostro
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Define "enough WGD" in the context of Sarge's world.
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Linna Heartbooger
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Oh... just caught up on this thread. Wow.
Zorm- if you decide to lurk and read this... well, I owe you an apology.
I asked you about a wound that was significant to you, and then I just left and didn't come back to listen.
I am sorry.
Maybe you'll think I saw everyone's posts and was just avoiding dealing with this situation.
(If you think that, I can understand. But I didn't.)
Well, it sounds like you got some things out in the open now at least.
I understand some of what you were saying about a "collaborative creative process."
Your time and your work are yours, Zorm.
(I hope you have copies of what you deleted saved elsewhere!)
The act of leaving a community can be a way of standing up for yourself, and facing your disappointment.
Good for you for speaking your mind in that farewell post.
(Because without it, we wouldn't have known why. Thank you so much for not leaving us to guess and wonder.)
May blessings go with you, on your life and in your choices.
vraith- you dork!
You think you see some important truths that people like Zorm and I really need to see, don't you?
You see how much some of us put ourselves down, and how we are just blind about our own motives, right?
Yeah, I agree you see some important truths, and I understand why you wanted to rant.
But if you're so wise, why did you choose to be so foolish about what you DID with your rage and your words?
You could do better than that; you know how to do a post that is likely to be just as effective and have less risk of hurting someone.
But then YOU might have to absorb more costs.
Oh, and also, vraith:
Shaun das Schaf- Thank you!
Zorm- if you decide to lurk and read this... well, I owe you an apology.
I asked you about a wound that was significant to you, and then I just left and didn't come back to listen.
I am sorry.
Maybe you'll think I saw everyone's posts and was just avoiding dealing with this situation.
(If you think that, I can understand. But I didn't.)
Well, it sounds like you got some things out in the open now at least.
I understand some of what you were saying about a "collaborative creative process."
Your time and your work are yours, Zorm.
(I hope you have copies of what you deleted saved elsewhere!)
The act of leaving a community can be a way of standing up for yourself, and facing your disappointment.
Good for you for speaking your mind in that farewell post.
(Because without it, we wouldn't have known why. Thank you so much for not leaving us to guess and wonder.)
May blessings go with you, on your life and in your choices.
vraith- you dork!
You think you see some important truths that people like Zorm and I really need to see, don't you?
You see how much some of us put ourselves down, and how we are just blind about our own motives, right?
Yeah, I agree you see some important truths, and I understand why you wanted to rant.
But if you're so wise, why did you choose to be so foolish about what you DID with your rage and your words?
You could do better than that; you know how to do a post that is likely to be just as effective and have less risk of hurting someone.
But then YOU might have to absorb more costs.
Oh, and also, vraith:
Shaun das Schaf- Thank you!
"People without hope not only don't write novels, but what is more to the point, they don't read them.
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
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Cameraman Jenn
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I'm taking donations!
Now if I could just find a way to wear live bees as jewelry all the time.....
www.fantasybedtimehour.com
www.fantasybedtimehour.com
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Obi-Wan Nihilo
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Cameraman Jenn
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You guys were both very generous! Thanks.
Now if I could just find a way to wear live bees as jewelry all the time.....
www.fantasybedtimehour.com
www.fantasybedtimehour.com
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Obi-Wan Nihilo
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What is sadder, having your feelings deeply hurt for a time and hopefully being spurred down the road towards needful introspection, or spending a lifetime devoted to the impossible quest to attract enough positive attention to fill the inner emptiness with external validation, and love. For all the brutality of this post, I admire its honesty and its instinctive, even ferocious courage to do what is needed rather than what is popular or, seemingly, 'kind'. Vraith is a person qualified to speak in this way to another artist. I trust his instincts.Vraith wrote:Alright, this is the fastest and most angular divergence of a thread that I've ever seen into off-topic [though I'm a newb compared to some here].
Zorm: you are being a freaking moron. I don't know what you or someone or just the forum code did to make it happen BUT: me for instance, I've seen the separate comments thread for one of your fanfic things...and guess what? I have no fricking idea where the actual piece is. How can anyone comment on what they haven't seen? I've commented on your damn drawings for christ's sake, and I'm not even a visual person! I do words! And [in my own way] as good as Z or WF or any number of other peeps [they're as good as me too], but in another way, why the hell do you care?
do your damn work cuz it's your damn work...you have no idea why peeps pat you on the back, punch you in the mouth, or don't even see you...yet all three can help you. Reactions are a fucking BONUS, not the POINT.
sorry, I'm raving at you, but I have a raver item, and someone else got me going on raver shit today. [and also I'm sympathizing and encouraging even if it doesn't sound that way]
so either ask for WGD like the thread demands, or get back to work!
The catholic church is the largest pro-pedophillia group in the world, and every member of it is guilty of supporting the rape of children, the ensuing protection of the rapists, and the continuing suffering of the victims.
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Shaun das Schaf
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Hey Ron, whilst I agree sometimes it's important to be 'cruel' to be kind, I also believe there's a wisdom in knowing how and when to deliver this 'cruel kindness'. If the lesson is on the end of a too-sharp weapon then not only may the learning fail to occur but you risk doing serious damage, particularly if someone isn't in a 'secure' state.Ron Burgunihilo wrote:What is sadder, having your feelings deeply hurt for a time and hopefully being spurred down the road towards needful introspection, or spending a lifetime devoted to the impossible quest to attract enough positive attention to fill the inner emptiness with external validation, and love. For all the brutality of this post, I admire its honesty and its instinctive, even ferocious courage to do what is needed rather than what is popular or, seemingly, 'kind'. Vraith is a person qualified to speak in this way to another artist. I trust his instincts.
Ask any experienced therapist, they'll often hold back important information until they think a client is ready to hear it and when they do deliver it, they don't deliver it by telling someone they're a freaking moron. As brilliant as Vraith is, he doesn't strike me as someone with experience in this area.
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Obi-Wan Nihilo
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What you are saying is quite reasonable and I strongly sympathize with it, yet I find myself observing that just those sorts of sentiments may be used to rationalize the perpetual obfuscation of the truth. I'll let others more qualified than I judge whether Vraith's delivery was apropos to the audience. But as someone who has spent years in therapy himself, I admire the courage and honesty of Vraith's remarks, and suspect that his intuition is more reliable than may immediately be apparent. An epiphany that is painless is no epiphany at all.
In any case, it is impolite to speak of those I do not know on such intimate terms, even if a spectacle has already been made of the situation. I wish everyone well.
In any case, it is impolite to speak of those I do not know on such intimate terms, even if a spectacle has already been made of the situation. I wish everyone well.
The catholic church is the largest pro-pedophillia group in the world, and every member of it is guilty of supporting the rape of children, the ensuing protection of the rapists, and the continuing suffering of the victims.