Lost--Season 6 - Spoilers Abound!!!

[I'm Murrin]

I still think the show peaked in season 4. S5 was good (though it had a habit of retreading the same ground in multiple episodes early on), but season 6 lacks consistency and a clear direction.

Frank was also a much more interesting character in S4 than he has been in S6. And I miss Daniel Faraday.

[wayfriend]

Oh. Other things I thought of to say.

: the fact that we still don't know the Man in Black's name is now officially a prank

: So much for the theory that there are Egyptian gods involved. No explanation of the statue. Pah.

: Mom promised that they would never be able to hurt each other. For a moment I thought this was a big revelation. Then Jacob beat the snot out of ... what's his name. Oh well.

: just how did Mom trash that whole villiage? Kill everyone, maybe. But fill in the excavation? Did she have superpowers or godpowers? Not explained. Pah.

: if last night explained how the man in black became evil (and it's arguable) then they still haven't even told us what keeps him trapped on the island. Pah.

: donkeywheel is not explained. All we know is that what's his name made the first one. We have no idea what it does.

[Orlion]

You forgot the final "pah"

I don't think MiB necesarily made the first donkey wheel, I think he had this gift that he could tell the history of something that belonged to someone by touching it... hence why he knew the rules of the game he found (and knew that it was a game). He was close enough to the other donkey wheel, that he was able to conceive the idea for it.... either that, or someones elses had to build it, because he never got to finish it (pah).

Though conceivably, he could have gotten some other shipwreckiees to build it in an attempt to leave the island, only to be repelled by the electromagnetic forces that gave him birth (pah).

Heck, the healing pool could have been built over the light (pah)

Maybe the light is a part of Smokey now, and that's why he can't leave the island (pah) And maybe he can appear as light, which is why Locke saw him as the original light (pah) and why the pool was light, and is why Ben is so messed up (pah).

[ItisWritten]

I don't get all the complaining. This wasn't the here's-the-answers episode. Like every other, it's set up for the finale. Like the Richard ep, it's about backstory. If Mother to Jacob to next candidate is 2 cycles, they've shown us how the last one ended. I'll save my complaints for the finale.

You want answers? Sometimes the guessing is more fun. There were some moments which were interesting.

--Mother thanking MiB for killing her. Maybe that's why she loved him differently than Jacob. Because she could sense he had it in him to end her. Seems to parallel the scenario in which Ben killed Jacob.

--MiB becoming Smokey was not the outcome that Jacob expected. Perhaps that's why he's doing things differently than Mother. Could be that finding his replacement also requires fixing what he screwed up.

--Did we really need to know how Mother filled the well and killed the other islanders? The power she had certainly seemed to cost her, if not in the using then emotionally. Point being, she kept the boys to one side of the island so she wouldn't have to use force. Same reason Jacob didn't have contact with his candidates.

--It seems obvious to me that BLocke leaving the island would take the light with him, and the light being gone from the island is very bad. What's the light? Who cares? At least we know why BLocke doesn't think the island needs protecting. He already has the thing that is important.

--Would it be accurate to say that MiB had the same ability as Hurley? That is, being able to see and talk to the dead.

[sindatur]

I call BS on the Adam and Eve reveal. Sure, it was a neat little revelation and seems to tie in, however...

When MiB and Jacob were on the Beach watching the Black Rock roll in, it seemed pretty obvious Jacob had been playing "Bring the Candidates to the island" game for quite some time already. The Black Rock arrived over 100 years ago. Jack told us in S1 Adam and Even were between 50-80 year old skeletons, but, Step-Mom and Jacob's brother died way longer ago then 100 years.

[wayfriend]

Good point, sindatur. Those skeletons should have been 2000 years old, if last nights ep was really in 28 AD.

I don't really need to know how Mom filled the well. But I do think her having done that just adds more questions and doesn't answer any. Which, this near the end, I find more frustrating than entertaining.

I don't think the Man in Black was able to deduce the rules of that game. I think he made up the rules. I remember words to that effect. Anyone know for sure?

And why does everyone associate the light with the resurrection pool? Water?

I'm not saying it's wrong. Maybe the water makes people evil, despite being associated with the light of goodness. So it made Sayid evil as well. Although there's no sign of Sayid being either a Smokemonster or invincible to guns and knives. (Then again, did we see him dead?)

And then you have to wonder why Temple-san put Sayid in the water if he [presumably] knew that.

[I'm Murrin]

Just started watching his ep, and my first question is whether the atrocious accent of the woman already on the island was some kind of deliberate choice. She made no attempt to pronounce correctly, I just want to know if there's a reason for it or if they just didn't get an actress who could actually speak the language (it sounded like spanish, but I'm no expert).

[Orlion]

I think it's a form of latin... if it were spanish, then yes, horrible job with it.

[I'm Murrin]

Thoughts as I go.

The lack of name is very noticably deliberate. Jacob is called by name more often than necessary to highlight the lack of a name for his brother.

The lit up spring is probably the source of the Temple pool. Jacob's brother eventually came to the same opinion about man that 'Mother' had, and we know that Jacob disagrees, so he may have chosen to share the light with his people - and only those who are worthy, who are on Jacob's lists, are allowed to share it.

Despite some of the stuff we hear about who is and isn't special, Jacob is one of those people that was not special, and yet he is the one who became the island's protector. His brother could see the dead, but turned out unsuitable for the responsibility.

Jacob's brother when he left is John Locke after he lost his faith. On the day he tried to destroy the hatch, on his first visit to the cabin when he saw only what seemed to be a cheap parlor trick, on the day he hung himself.

And the episode ends with a mostly unnecessary "ha ha, look, see, we did know what we were doing" message from the writers.


A theory: Jacob's brother is dead, and there is no coming back from that. Our friend is not Jacob's brother, but something that escaped from the source, the "death" part of it. Jacob's brother was the first person whose identity it stole, whose mind it took on enabling it to leave, and so he became its own identity - the only memories it had when it emerged were of that man's life. He and the source are one, and should he ever leave the island the source would be extinguished. I'll note as evidence that he also takes on personality traits and habits of the later people he impersonates - crying out "don't tell me what I can't do" was our hint that he is not just impersonating John Locke, but has internalised John Locke's entire personality.


So we're left with one significant question. Who completed the mechanism that our friend and his people designed? Obviously it works. I sense that our friend's loss of his physical body is what prevented him from ever using it, but someone finished the work and constructed the device to harness the source. Will we ever learn who?

[sindatur]

Good point, sindatur. Those skeletons should have been 2000 years old, if last nights ep was really in 28 AD.

I don't really need to know how Mom filled the well. But I do think her having done that just adds more questions and doesn't answer any. Which, this near the end, I find more frustrating than entertaining.

I don't think the Man in Black was able to deduce the rules of that game. I think he made up the rules. I remember words to that effect. Anyone know for sure?

And why does everyone associate the light with the resurrection pool? Water?

I'm not saying it's wrong. Maybe the water makes people evil, despite being associated with the light of goodness. So it made Sayid evil as well. Although there's no sign of Sayid being either a Smokemonster or invincible to guns and knives. (Then again, did we see him dead?)

And then you have to wonder why Temple-san put Sayid in the water if he [presumably] knew that.

Ancient Greece was definitely bad info, so 28 AD may just as well have been as well. Hence, why I started working backwards from Richard's arrival, since we know almost for sure that is long after the final events of this episode.

More on the next 4 posts later, no time to properly process it all and post at the mo'

[[Syl]]

What's the light?

Marcellus' soul, obviously.

[ItisWritten]

I call BS on the Adam and Eve reveal. Sure, it was a neat little revelation and seems to tie in, however...

When MiB and Jacob were on the Beach watching the Black Rock roll in, it seemed pretty obvious Jacob had been playing "Bring the Candidates to the island" game for quite some time already. The Black Rock arrived over 100 years ago. Jack told us in S1 Adam and Even were between 50-80 year old skeletons, but, Step-Mom and Jacob's brother died way longer ago then 100 years.

Actually, all Jack said (in House of the Rising Sun) was, "It takes 40 or 50 years for clothes to degrade like this." Besides recognizing that one was a woman, there wasn't much he could guess about them. He's a spine surgeon, not a forensics expert.

[lucimay]

*yawn*

so...tell me again how jacobs brother can be dead (skeleton in cave)
and still be smokey?

i'm so not gettin that.

so...the message here is don't be inquisitive? creative? broad-minded? oh yeah...and...it's okay to kill people.

pah.

[Kil Tyme]

I had high hopes for this one; beginning was good, too. But the disapointment is that hardly anything was answered and a dozen more questions created. Isn't this the season when all questions are answered? WTF. Most of the questions y'all already addressed. It really was an interesting tale and i think really well acted, but I wanted more answers, so it did not satisfy in the end.

Luci, apparently, the light in the tunnel, the light of whotheflipknowswhat, knowledge, man, alien lavalamp, somehow separated the soul of MIB from his corporal body, so the essense of MIB remains as smokey, while the shell of MIB was no longer needed and discarded. I dunno...maybe it was MIBs hair on fire coming out of the bright tunnel.

I thought at first that MIBs momma was also a smokey since the distruction of the other humans resembled what MIB did to the temple folks, but now I don't know.

[I'm Murrin]

I think the episode answered as much as it needed to, and left out what it didn't. We don't need to know the specifics of Mother's power. We don't need to know every detail of how the light works. Just like we didn't need to know, for example, if the Australian psychic was really a fraud like he claimed, or if his daughter really came back from the dead.

[Kil Tyme]

Sorry Murrin, I need those answers you cited, too! I need all answers to everything in order to make this Lost experience (and time expense) complete and worthwhile; else they better give us another season.

[I'm Murrin]

I guess you need a definitive answer as to whether the Land is real, too, eh?

[wayfriend]

A theory: Jacob's brother is dead, and there is no coming back from that. Our friend is not Jacob's brother, but something that escaped from the source, the "death" part of it. Jacob's brother was the first person whose identity it stole...

I agree with this. I had been thinking along the same lines since I recalled how He Who Shall Remain Nameless Until the Final Episode so effortlessly admitted he wanted to kill Jacob. That doesn't sound like a brother.

So: if HWSRNUFE (pronounced howser-noof) isn't Locke, he doesn't have to be Jacob's bro, either.

But I still don't see the Pool and the Source being the same. The first thing Mom said about the Source is not to go in there. That doesn't sound like something anyone would turn into a temple jacuzzi.

[Orlion]

But I still don't see the Pool and the Source being the same. The first thing Mom said about the Source is not to go in there. That doesn't sound like something anyone would turn into a temple jacuzzi.

I don't think they're the same, but I do think the Pool is powered by the Source, whatever or wherever that source may be.

[I'm Murrin]

It's water from the Source, not direct contact with the very heart of it.

WF, while I don't think he's technically Jacob's brother, I think he perceives himself as that person. He's still working on that man's own goals, and frustrated by Mother and by Jacob's insistance that he, the man, cannot ever leave.