Murrin wrote:It's water from the Source, not direct contact with the very heart of it.
WF, while I don't think he's technically Jacob's brother, I think he perceives himself as that person. He's still working on that man's own goals, and frustrated by Mother and by Jacob's insistance that he, the man, cannot ever leave.
Yes. And you might also say, if Smokey is from the Source/light, that his desire to leave is compounded by the possibility that the Source also wants to leave. Perhaps that's what is truly trapped on the island.
Which explains even better why BLocke keeps saying the island doesn't need protecting.
Yeah, last night's episode made me reevaluate who I want to 'win.' If Jacob is carrying on his mother's legacy... she killed his real mother, killed an entire village that had never done anything to her, and who knows what else. I don't trust her. I can't buy the 'what we're doing is important enough to kill people, just believe me' argument.
It's like rooting for Satan after reading about Sodom and Gomorrah.
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
But I think being Pure Evil is sufficient reason to want to get off the island, and sufficient reason to not want to let him leave. I don't think there needs to be any connection to the Boy In Black's earlier wishes to leave, other than a sort of irony.
Mom certainly isn't Satan, tho. She could have wiped out that villiage at any time. She only did when there was a risk that they might actually help BIB leave.
And BIB wasn't allowed to leave in the first place because he was Mom's candidate, I guess. Mom neaded a candidate, so she killed other mom, and grabbed the two baby candidates, and raised them. BIB grew up and rejected Mom -- thank goodness she had a back-up candidate.
So everything Mom did was to have a candidate around. She probably didn't like her job Guarding the source much. This fits with her being happy to finally pass the job on and die.
What I want to know is: who else is going to set their alarms for 8:15 am on the 23rd? And go to sleep at 23:42 hours (11:42 pm)? Or anything else ridiculous I'm gonna do?
Nah, I'm sticking with my Paradise Lost connection and saying she's Sin (the wife/daughter of Satan and the mother of Death).
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
Going a step further: Throwing his brother directly into the Source gave the smoke a way to remove itself from the source and roam free, however it also forced the smoke into the same restrictions that Mother had placed on the man - those that prevented him from ever leaving, and those that preent him from killing his brother. So it escaped from one prison into another, and became one with this trapped man who also wanted to escape.
He's since then worked out the rules that caused him to be prevented from leaving and set about a plan to extricate himself from them - firstly by destroying the island's protector and removing any chance of a new one taking his place, potentially followed by the destruction of the source and with it the island.
An observation I just realised, the yellow light when Ben moved the island was the light of the Source.
Xar posted this on Facebook. I thought it was funny.
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
only 8:20 here, but I just saw who's in this episode Spoiler
Mira Furlan is back as Danielle. I'm a tremendous fan of Mira's work (especially LOST and Babylon 5) and her dramatic delivery. Melissa Farmann did a fantastic job, but, it just wasn't the same. If nothing else, this episode will be wonderful for this alone, IMHO
I Never Fail To Be Astounded By The Things We Do For Promises - Ronnie James Dio (All The Fools Sailed Away)
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
I think this episode really made things clear--why Jacob brought the people to the island; why they're there. What the island is; what that light is; that should hopefully be answered at the season finale.
For a while now I've known the characters were "Lost" in the sense that their lives were ca-ca in the real world and they had nothing for them but the island--and that there was a reason they were supposed to be there. But only now did it really click for me.
I was never really too upset they were stringing us along, as it's happened before, and I'll definitely give them the benefit of the doubt, seeing as they've consistently delivered such an excellent show.
So it looks like the finale's going to have a lot going down at the museum's benefit gala - Miles, Charlotte, and Daniel will be there, Dr. Pierre Chang, probably Charles and Eloise, Desmond and Kate, Sawyer will end up there (perhaps to arrest Desmond and Kate), and Jack will be there with his son and (still unnamed) ex-wife.
Don't know about the rest of the strands - are Jin and Sun still at the hospital?
Wondering what Ben's up to at this point. I thought at first that maybe he only wanted Widmore dead, not that he wanted to help Locke, but I'm not sure. Now that Locke's told him he's going to destroy the island, after telling Ben he'd have the island to himself (I don't think Ben believed him anyway), I don't know where Ben will go.
Edit: According to Jorje Garcia's podcast, reading from a note in the actual script, Across the Sea was set around 2000 years in the past.
Ok, so Jacob brought the candidates to the island because they were flawed and he needed one of them to take over for him... what about the other 50-100 people (or however many) on flight 815 that died as a result? They were just collateral damage?
If he could travel to/from the island at will, as it seems he could, couldn't he have found a better way to get them there without the high body count? Spoiler
I was surprised when Jack stepped up to take on Jacob's task. I figured it would be Hurley.
And after last night I definitely have the feeling that the creators of this show are just playing with us. Spoiler
The whole thing about Kate's name being crossed out on the cave wall, which caused weeks of speculation on various boards... "it was just a chalk line on a cave wall. if you want the job, it's yours"
Akasri wrote:Ok, so Jacob brought the candidates to the island because they were flawed and he needed one of them to take over for him... what about the other 50-100 people (or however many) on flight 815 that died as a result? They were just collateral damage?
I imagine they were also candidates--but they got killed off themselves over the course of the show. There were a lot of names on that cave wall, ya know.
Akasri wrote:Spoiler
I was surprised when Jack stepped up to take on Jacob's task. I figured it would be Hurley.
Not me. Jack's been pretty much the main character, and he's also been characterized as a leader. Hurley was more like comic relief, plus his character always gets dragged into (or perceives) bad luck, so by this time I figure he's ready to leave the whole island mess altogether.
