Kevin's Watch

In that case... Why are you wise?

Moods are unpredictable, and even a good movie can suffer from a bad mood, but don't forget about those movies that are so inconceivably bad that you improve your mood by brutally making fun of them.

Intended "Serious" Movies that spring to mind:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas [We got up after 30 minutes and demanded our money back---at the $1 theater!!!]
Gigli [this movie was so universally lambasted, I almost hesitate to add it to the list. I have seen it, though, and it certainly belongs here.]
Dungeons & Dragons [I almost threw away my dice in shame/disgust when I saw this movie---I cried until I laughed, then I wiped and flushed]
Batman & Robin [Arnie as Mr.Freeze?!?!?! (thick Austrian-laced English) "Chill out!" This movie hurt me, but not in the funny way]
The second Highlander Movie ["The Quickening?"]

"B" Horror Movies Worthy of Mention [and Burning]
Troll II (also called The Boogens) ["Oh no! 'Nilbog' spelled backwards is 'Goblin'!" "Who's gonna eat you, little brother?"]
Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things [the title really says it all]
Motel Hell [Don't eat the barbeque!]
Head of the Family [I've never laughed so hard at so little]
Carnival of Blood [Surprisingly, the carnival gimp is the culprit!]
Friday the 13th Parts Two thru whatever number they are up to now

Regarding the horror movies---it's important to note that watching 'B' horror movies was a cherished pasttime of my college days. So much so, in fact, that I am the author of the original Horror Movie Character Survival Guide, first posted on rec.humor, a few years before this whole Internet thingy caught on.... Ack! I suddenly feel ancient...... "Oh, is it time for my mush?"

DW
[Weird, warped, and whittled by Time]

not that I am nit picking or anything and it is something i dont normaly look for, but i did happen to notice a ring that Aragorn had been wearing on his right index finger was now on his left index finger return of the king.
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LordAbsinth

You have no right to nit-pick our obvious superiors. Peter Jackson is practically the ruler of the earth; you would be wise to bow to him. Now, are you sure you weren't watching the movie through a mirror? I thought not.

DukkhaWaynhim wrote:Moods are unpredictable, and even a good movie can suffer from a bad mood, but don't forget about those movies that are so inconceivably bad that you improve your mood by brutally making fun of them.

Intended "Serious" Movies that spring to mind:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas [We got up after 30 minutes and demanded our money back---at the $1 theater!!!]
Gigli [this movie was so universally lambasted, I almost hesitate to add it to the list. I have seen it, though, and it certainly belongs here.]
Dungeons & Dragons [I almost threw away my dice in shame/disgust when I saw this movie---I cried until I laughed, then I wiped and flushed]
Batman & Robin [Arnie as Mr.Freeze?!?!?! (thick Austrian-laced English) "Chill out!" This movie hurt me, but not in the funny way]
The second Highlander Movie ["The Quickening?"]

"B" Horror Movies Worthy of Mention [and Burning]
Troll II (also called The Boogens) ["Oh no! 'Nilbog' spelled backwards is 'Goblin'!" "Who's gonna eat you, little brother?"]
Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things [the title really says it all]
Motel Hell [Don't eat the barbeque!]
Head of the Family [I've never laughed so hard at so little]
Carnival of Blood [Surprisingly, the carnival gimp is the culprit!]
Friday the 13th Parts Two thru whatever number they are up to now

Regarding the horror movies---it's important to note that watching 'B' horror movies was a cherished pasttime of my college days. So much so, in fact, that I am the author of the original Horror Movie Character Survival Guide, first posted on rec.humor, a few years before this whole Internet thingy caught on.... Ack! I suddenly feel ancient...... "Oh, is it time for my mush?"

DW
[Weird, warped, and whittled by Time]

LOL .. and yes dungeons and dragons the movie was a dive into mediocrity!! and its only worth is in the ribbing of its poorly drafted script and good acting-retardant qualities!!!

yep and on all other movies - LOL .. you are spot on!!!

ps. dandelion .. i wasnt aware you had ascended all?? when did this magnaminous event occur??

*thinks* must've been in my absence lol

dANdeLION wrote:You have no right to nit-pick our obvious superiors. Peter Jackson is practically the ruler of the earth; you would be wise to bow to him. Now, are you sure you weren't watching the movie through a mirror? I thought not.

I don't know how I can agree with you more. Its really scary. A mirror eh? Maybe he did, maybe he did.

ok... now I'm confused...

Darth Revan wrote:ok... now I'm confused...

Don't be. It's really easy. You're a good guy with no dad. Okay, now you're a bad guy, but you have a dad. Okay, now you're a good guy again, this time with a dad and a son, who just got you to kill your dad, who was also your boss. Okay, now you're dead, and you're hanging out with a couple of dead liars.

LOL!

Did you ever see it again Darth? If so, did you like it any better?

Fellowship... Awesome!
Two Towers... Nearly as Awesome!
Return... lacking all the parts that made the third book great!!!


So Jackson's putting the good parts in the extended DVD... sounds a bit fishy to me. The Voice of Saruman and scouring of the Shire were absolutely essential to the book. I realise some of you will say something like, this is the movie that was the book. However, Peter Jackson did a magnificent job of capturing the spirit of the first two books, (no I'm not a purist, just a writer) and it seemed that he forgot that in the third movie. Going home to a happy-go-lucky Shire defeats the purpose Tolkien was trying to explain about the hobbits. (even the smallest race could face adversity, even a foe greater than themselves, with teamwork, friendship and bravery.) As for the Voice of Saruman, it was just my favorite part of the books. (Saruman, your staff is broken. Sweet!)

By putting these parts into the extended version, he has guaranteed that I will buy it. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!



-B

Baradakas, I have some bad news for you. I have heard that the scenes involving Gandalf and Saruman and the scenes involving Gandalf and the Mouth of Sauron will be in the extended version. Also scenes which flesh out the relationship between Eowyn and Faramir in the Houses of Healing.

But I don't think the Scouring of the Shire was ever filmed.

It was established in 2001 that the Scouring was never filmed. The Scouring would be impossible to smack into an already 3 hour and 20 minute movie, anyway. And I don't think it would fit either--a bit anticlimactic, as far as the movie's build-up goes.

I seriously question that the ROTK movie lacked everything that made the books great. It kept everything that was central to Frodo's quest. You gotta give Jackson some slack--he had to cut something.

And as for the "even the smallest can face adversity", I think that Jackson showed that point and showed it fine, despite the Scouring not being there. You could tell that each hobbit had matured.

One last thing:

Why would one say Two Towers was awesome but ROTK was not--especially when one's said dislike is based upon ROTK lacking certain content from the book. Technically, Two Towers was the least faithful of all the movies to the book. ROTK was either the most faithful or at least second.

I have mixed feelings regarding the lack of the Scouring in the film. While I realize that Jackson had to make cuts, and the Scouring would have seemed to be a very long "falling action" sequence (I've heard many people say the ending was too long as it was), I do think the Scouring is an important part of the story.

In the Scouring, we have the final resolution of Saruman and Wormtongue, we see that Frodo is done with fighting and strife, seeking only a peace he can't find . . . and we see the final maturation of Pippin and Merry. And a feeling that nothing is as it was.

But Jackson's ending managed to accomplish most of this stuff in an abbreviated way.

As for whether I read announcements, yes, I do, but they aren't always etched in stone. And rumors tend to cloud the "real" story, too. I once heard that there would be no Ents in the movies.

There is no place on Earth that messes with the press and changes their story more than Hollywood.

Luckily Jackson--not Hollywood--told people what would be cut.

Baradakas wrote:Fellowship... Awesome!
Two Towers... Nearly as Awesome!
Return... lacking all the parts that made the third book great!!!


So Jackson's putting the good parts in the extended DVD... sounds a bit fishy to me. The Voice of Saruman and scouring of the Shire were absolutely essential to the book. I realise some of you will say something like, this is the movie that was the book. However, Peter Jackson did a magnificent job of capturing the spirit of the first two books, (no I'm not a purist, just a writer) and it seemed that he forgot that in the third movie. Going home to a happy-go-lucky Shire defeats the purpose Tolkien was trying to explain about the hobbits. (even the smallest race could face adversity, even a foe greater than themselves, with teamwork, friendship and bravery.) As for the Voice of Saruman, it was just my favorite part of the books. (Saruman, your staff is broken. Sweet!)

By putting these parts into the extended version, he has guaranteed that I will buy it. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!



-B

LOL i know what you're saying .. I loved all 3 movies but i was mightily disappointed by the 'Borimir's bier scene' .. It would have taken no more time to have the swords of his enemies laid under his feet and all the other really powerful symbolism that Tolkien describes. This is arguably my favourite scene in the books .. LOL .. because it depicted the respect and hommage bestowed on this valiant warrior who had fallen in battle. It was a rich and powerful scene and I was soo disappointed that it was overlooked by Jackson.

Having said that .. I love Jackson's work .. the LOTR's is brilliantly depicted ..

Like you I was like .. oh .. "where is the House of Healing scene" as it is sooo fundamental to Aragorn's mandate as King .. and oh .. where is the 'Burning of the Shire" or scouring of the shire?? .. cos that is so important to the Hobbits asserting themselves back into their community!

I am sooo buying the extended ROTK dvd set when it comes out .. cos I really want my dvd Tolkien collection to be complete .. where the cinematic versions are less than complete yet still entertaining if you havent read Tolkien at all ..

I dont think it is a conspiracy .. I think Jackson was restrained by considerations of commercial viability ... and by producing an extended dvd version he is able to cater for fans .. which he is himself .. the complete experience.

I am actually grateful that he is prepared to include the deleted scenes .. and invest in their inclusion .. and provide them to us even though he is not able at the cinema .. in dvd form.

kudos Jackson!!

Ok, Foul, I'll admit it didn't lack everything, I had watched the flick the night before I posted, and for the first time. However, when I read the books, I considered the scouring one of the most important chapters, as it resolved the tension between wyrmtongue and Saruman, as well as explaining how Longbottom Leaf ended up at the Tower in the first place...

also, the confrontation between Saruman and Gandalf was a POWERFUL scene in my mind, the kind I would have loved to see on the big screen.

Peter Jackson IS a great storyteller, and I didn't think anyone else could have made these movies better.

The third film just didn't have the same impact on me as the first two.

And as I'm not a purist, sticking exactly to the story wasn't as important to me as leaving out scenes that I thought would have suited the mood I was looking for in the third movie. It was a GREAT movie, just not what I had expected.

And Skyweir, I agree, I also was looking forward to the majesty of the Boromir bier scene... but 'fly you fools' made up for my disappointment.

-B

Well said, Baradakas! i just think Jackson should have cut down on alot of the ending and added at least 5mins of saruman. As it is, it's stands as a flaw that there is no sign of the major villain. Oh and remove Legolas.

LOL! Ur-Vile!

Ur-Vile wrote:...Oh and remove Legolas.

What??!! C'mon, he's sooo darn cute! Besides, who ya gonna call when you're overrun by twenty-ton oliphaunts??


The books meant so much to me that I prepared myself for a series of movies that could never accurately portray what I envisioned when I read the books. Fortunately my expectations were not realized! I enjoyed all three films. I've issues with certain aspects of characters and scenes that are too numerous to mention. There were storylines and scenes included in the movies that were not in the books, while scenes and storylines from the book were not included in the movies. But I've read the books too many times and would be crazy to expect perfection on the big screen.

To me, Jackson's saving grace is the extended edition DVD. In both the LOTR and TTT, Jackson included scenes that were not only important to me, but also managed to flesh out the story on the screen. I'm definitely looking forward to the ROTK DVD!