Kevin's Watch

Oooh ooh! I have it now!

Lord Mhoram wrote:Oooh ooh! I have it now!

You should probably see a doctor. A Penicillin shot'll fix that right up.

It's that good, eh? I have heard great things about this novel...

What do you mean you have it now?

He means that, since he couldn't lay his hands on a physical copy, I took the liberty of sending him an e-text version.

ZOUNDS!!! How cool is that?!?! Where the heck do you find e-texts of books anyway?? Since those books are out of print, I can't imagine there's a copywrite problem with it.

Edge,

Thanks again, btw.

Fist,

I'll let you and danlo know what I think when I'm done. I have some school reading to take care of first though.

You're very welcome, LM!

Fist and Faith wrote:Since those books are out of print, I can't imagine there's a copywrite problem with it.

In that case: anyone who wants a copy, give me a shout.

All right Mhoram!!!!!

Could use a copy of War in Heaven. I've tried ordering it twice at the local library.

I think we should all read and discuss Neverness.

I'm trying to remember if I ever read it in the past.

I'd love an etext of it!

charpel@frontiernet.net

Edge wrote:

Actually, if you're living a life of forgiveness, that makes you a Christian by default.

Now how is that?

Don't you see how this statement can be an insult to non- Christians?

If I believe in forgiveness as an admirable trait of humanity, I live only by the Christian code?

Clarify, please.

And Lurch:

Send Caamora a simple apology via PM, please.

I agree with all you've posted in this thread (including the edited one)
I do think, however, the vitriol was just a little much than we tend to go for around here.

And no doubt (in my mind, maybe I'm wrong...) the ganging up on is causing the line in the sand.

But what do I know...

If you're mailing them out Edge, I'd love a copy of whichever ones you have, thanks.

You can just send them to the address linked to the mail button here. Would be greatly appreciated.

--A

Jeesh, if we all read it we may accomplish what I'm sure is one of danlo's dreams: A Neverness forum at the Watch!

Dromond wrote:Edge wrote:

Actually, if you're living a life of forgiveness, that makes you a Christian by default.

Now how is that?

Don't you see how this statement can be an insult to non- Christians?

If I believe in forgiveness as an admirable trait of humanity, I live only by the Christian code?

Clarify, please.

Well, first of all, I only phrased it like that because Danlo and I were kidding around.

What I actually believe: just because someone doesn't claim the label of 'Christian', doesn't mean they're automatically doomed.

If you're interested as to how I as a (pretty vocal) Christian justify this belief, it's right here:

Then the King will say to those on the right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.' "Then these righteous ones will reply, `Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' And the King will tell them, `I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!' - Matthew 25:33-40

And what I mean by 'All truth is God's truth' is this: If I come across something from a different belief or faith: if I recognise it as true, and it doesn't specifically contradict what I know of God - I'm not going to reject it just because it didn't come from a 'Christian' source.

...hope that makes sense, and isn't offensive.

Wow. I am glad I was not online this weekend for the explosion.

Cam... personally I enjoyed it. I used to be really religious. These days I am more spiritual than religious and I am sort of a Pagan/Catholic hybrid. My basic feelings and beleifs remain unchanged, but have grown and branched out in more directions. Some things I was told to beleive, I do not continue to take as my own, but I still have respect for anyone that lives what they beleive. I find truth and beauty in all beleifs, albeit I find more in some and less in others.

I found the article quite lovely. No offense to Pagans, because I am one, but many of the Pagans I have known were some of the best "Christians" I've ever known. By that I mean they live and love as Christians preach. AN example is when I lived in Jacksonville, FL we went to a UU church. I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks. What blew my mind was the people who helped me, were there for me, brought casseroles, etc were the UU Pagans! Before that I had been leary of them because I was indoctrinated with them as being "bad." Over the years I have still not had help from any Catholic church. No one ever went out of their way to show even simple kindness, but these wonderful people that I was always told were "bad" were there to love me when I needed it. They were also the ones there when my husband abandoned me pregnant with a third child. Did I get so much as a card or a call from anyone I was raised with? No. No help or consolation whatsoever.

Tell me. Who is the better "Christian"? The people that were Christian or the Pagans that showed true love and concern?

So by "Christian" I refer to a way of behaving and treating others that has nothing to do with a beleif or disbeleif in Christ.

Thank you for sharing, Cam.

You know, C.S. Lewis, a very wise man, once said that religion is like a math problem. There is ONE RIGHT ANSWER--but some answers are nearer to correct than others.

I probably butchered the quote (I'm sure Edge can present us with the correctly phrased one, as I know he is also a C.S. Lewis fan), but the idea is that no religion is completely right or wrong. There are elements of good/God in each one.

And I love the spot in Chronicles of Narnia in The Last Battle where Aslan tells the Calormenian Emeth, who had striven all his life to serve "Tash," the equivalent of Satan, that he (Aslan) took all good to himself, it being the intent of the HEART that mattered, and not the dogma (or catma or elephantma, presumably) of any particular religion.

It is from that particular passage of Narnia (along with the verses already quoted by Edge from the Bible) that leads me to believe that people I love who proclaim themselves Atheists will be joining me in "Aslan's Country" one day.

Syl wrote:Could use a copy of War in Heaven. I've tried ordering it twice at the local library.

Sorry, Syl - the only other one I have is 'The Broken God' (Danlo's story).

Btw, I'm happy to pass this on too for anyone who wants it, as it's also out of print.

That's cool. Let's just hope I have better luck with The Lightstone (it's on order at the moment)