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Holy Crap, it's finally happening: VH tour.

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Check out this news conference video:

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Dave is hilarious. Why he never became the world's richest car salesman in history is beyond me. He steals the show.

"Well, let's have a look at you, hot stuff." :lol:

I'm really looking forward to this tour. Looks like I'll pick it up in Indy.
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Meh.

As much as I love the classic VH lineup, this isn't it. No Michael Anthony, no Van Halen. He's hardly a great bass player, but he sang all the harmonies, and hell, he's been part of the band since the beginning.

I'll probably still see the tour, but I'm really disappointed that Mike won't be there.
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If I think about it, I can get pretty bummed about Mike, too. But listening to Dave's sales pitch, it's hard to feel anything but excitement. I've always thought that the bass was the one position that needed replacing the most--rather than frontman/singer. The only thing I'll really miss is Mike's backup vocals. They are distinctive. I hate to say it, but a recorded backing vocal of MA singing wouldn't bother me too much if the bass playing was better.
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How many times has this happened, and then not happened, now? If I had a nickel for every time DLR got on stage and announced he and VH are back together ...

Maybe its true this time, but I'll believe it when someone comes back from a show.
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...you'd have 15 cents.

I think they're going to do it, simply because of the money. The tour a couple of years ago with Sammy was well-received, and there's every reason to believe that this will be even more so.

The press conference was fantastic (heard it on The Boneyard on Monday), and Dave is certainly fired up, but let's not forget that Ed hates him, and Alex (little bitch that he is) has backed Ed since day one on that score. Mike and Sam actually flew on separate jets on the last tour because the VH brothers are such pricks and so difficult to get along with. Go back and read the interviews with the four of them following the 1996 fiasco. It literally hurt my head trying to grasp where Ed was coming from.

Mike was never a great bass player, no doubt about it. But still, he's inextricably part of the band, and I'm disappointed that he won't be part of this (for better or for worse).
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Cail wrote:...you'd have 15 cents.

:lol:

Yeah, they've gone down this road three times in the past (according to Cail's calculations--I only remember two), but they've never actually released tour dates that go on sale in 3 days for several cities around the country. To my knowledge, they've never spent months rehearsing for any post-Sammy tour before now. I think it's for real. Cail is right about the 2004 tour: it made over $40 million. This tour will surely top that in sales.

Ed does seem to have his problems. And Dave has his ego. But there's a new element. I think they may be on to something with Wolfgang. Remember, Eddie was only 17 when they recorded their first album (and Alex not much older). They're telling us he's a badass. What if the musical prodigy gene runs in the family? I'm really excited to hear what the boy can do with the classic material.

Dave says this is a new band. Ed says they will have a future. They're going to make new music. I wonder what it will be like to have two Van Halen's on guitar.
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Cail wrote:...you'd have 15 cents.
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There was the '96 fiasco, the false start in April, now this. Am I missing one, or is that what you're counting Malik?

Ed's an ass. Always been one. Dave's insane, egotistical, and completely self-absorbed. Always has been. I think Dave has genuinely wanted to see this band get back together since '96, but can't shut his mouth for the good of the group. reading the interviews with Ed and Alex from '96, then reading interviews with Mike and Sam about what happened then have made one thing very, very clear; that fiasco was 100% Ed's fault.

Wolfie on bass will be interesting. He played a little guitar on the 2004 tour, and he wasn't bad. Dave made it clear that this was a new band, so we'll see. I guess we'll be comparing notes in a few months.
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Don't know if this is real or not, but it sounds like Ed and Al playing. If that's Wolfie on bass, then he can play at least as well as MA.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ziwQw3v3Q&NR=1
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Alex (little bitch that he is)
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You guys obviously know a helluva lot more about the history of VH than I do. I didn't know Eddie and Alex were such assholes. I always thought the blame rested with DLR (whom I can't stand.) VH was always better with Sammy singing IMHO.
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Dave wanted to do a solo album. He was the frontman of the band, and wanted to do something different. Ed was pissed about that. Dave released 'Crazy From the Heat', and Ed got more pissed. Dave got fired. Dave (being Dave) started mouthing off about it. Ed stayed pissed and hired Sammy.

Sammy joined the band as an established solo act. VH released some great albums (I still think Ed's best playing is on OU812). Sammy contractually had to release one more solo album. Ed was pissed, but let him do it, and even played bass on it. VH released a couple more albums. Sammy wanted to spend more time with his family, Ed got pissed and fired Sammy because he was "lazy". Sammy returned to his solo career.

Ed started working on the Best Of... compilation and got Dave back for two new songs. Video was shot. A tour was planned. They all showed up at the MTV awards. Dave was still Dave, Ed got pissed, Dave got fired again.

VH hired Gary Cherone, released the awful VH3, ans slipped into obscurity.

Sammy called Ed to work on a new album, Ed wanted to do solo stuff (a lot came from that, eh?). 6 years later, after Sammy and Dave toured together, Sammy came back into the VH fold for the 2004 tour. Ed was snockered the entire tour, Sammy and Mike couldn't fly on the same plane as Ed and Little Ed (Alex). Sammy got fired (again), Mike got fired for being Sammy's buddy.

This tour is a money grab, just like every Who tour since 1989. I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong and they kick ass, but....

Dave's an egotistical prick who's easily one of the greatest rock frontmen who's ever lived. His voice is nowhere near what it used to be, and you can hear that on the 1996 songs (good as they are).

Ed's an egotistical prick who's easily one of the greatest rock guitarists who's ever lived. His playing on the 2004 tour was nowhere near as good as it was in the '80s and early '90s. If he can stay sober and accept that Dave will always be Dave, then there's a chance the two of them won't kill each other.

Alex is an egotistical prick who has no career without Van Halen. Watching an interview with Ed and him is like watching Carvelli and Murray from "Welcome Back Kotter". Whatever crap Ed dishes at Dave or Sammy, Alex follows up with "Yeah!".

Sammy doesn't give a crap about anything other than having a good time. If Ed calls, he'll sing with Van Halen. Now he's playing with Mike in his bar in a band called "The Other Half".

Mike was the only decent guy in the group (other than Sammy) who's career is over because he had the bad fortune of siding with Sammy and being the last person to piss Ed off. He got stuck without a chair when the music stopped.

No one cares about Gary Cherone.

I'd love to see this work. The two 1996 songs are great, especially 'Me Wise Magic'. I'd really love to see Mike back in the band. I'd really, really love to see Van Halen tour with both Sam and Dave.

Time will tell.
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:lol: All I needed to know about VH I learned from Cail.....thanks for the hilarious low down!
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The thing that really sucks about Mike being gone (other than the rather odd parallel of the fans getting back something broken), is that Mike has a writing credit on every VH song. If this is for real and they're going to do a new album, what does that mean? According to everyone in the band, Mike (though he got credit) didn't actually write any of the dreck on VH3, and only played on 3 songs. Look where that album went.
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I think it's a little more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it.

Dave was unhappy about the direction of the music Eddie was writing. He was unhappy about the world's greatest guitar hero playing around with keyboards. He was unhappy about the greatest party rock band playing sappy pop love songs. So it wasn't entirely Dave wanting to do a solo thing. There was a genuine artistic difference. It wasn't Dave's fault that he was unable to sing (or didn't like) the songs Eddie was writing. And it wasn't Eddie's fault that he wanted to expand his artistic vision. Dave (and Mike) limited what the band could do.

Ed was not pissed about Sammy's solo album that I've ever heard. Sammy claimed that Eddie told him not to hold back and save any songs for VH--to put his best work into the solo thing. And they even let Sammy do an acoustic solo song off this album during VH shows in the early 90s. (It was beautiful and a nice break during the show).

I'm not sure why they stopped working together in the 90s. Their last album together was their best, IMO. I didn't even buy it until last year, because I was increasingly bored with their music. I didn't even give it a chance. I heard "Humans Being," and figured it was more of the same. But Balance is a darker, more introspective album than all the other Hagar stuff. Eddie wanted to present less of a "party" persona, and wanted to focus on the music. He hated the lyrics to "Amsterdam," for instance.

I still haven't listened to VH3, the studio album. I've heard that it's the most different VH album ever made--that it's pretty much a EVH solo album. I've heard it described as experimental and musically challenging. Maybe this is why it didn't have a lot of popularity. Or maybe fans couldn't accept yet another frontman. Live, Cherone was a very good mix of SH's range with DLR's raw edge. Cherone sang the classic VH stuff better than Sammy. He was able to sing both eras fine, straddling that fence. Check out the Youtube footage of that tour. Eddie rocked, and Cherone was decent.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcvLtfW6FI
Check out this one with Mike singing lead!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69ICykgnYo&mod ... ed&search=

Eddie was sloshed during the 2004 tour, and apparently played horribly. THAT was a money grab. They didn't look happy together at all, and the new songs sucked.

I don't think this latest outing is a money grab. Sure, they want to make money. But going into rehab in order to give the audience the best possible show isn't something you do for a money grab. Bringing your son into the band--practicing with him for years--isn't something you do for a money grab.
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FWIW, I just don't like 'Balance' at all, and I didn't bother seeing the VH3 tour.

Initially Ed was all for Sammy maintaining his solo career, but right around the time 'Humans Being' came out, Ed was demanding that Sammy devote all his time to VH (hence the lazy comments which are all over the interviews from that era).

True, Dave hated the sound of 1984 and wasn't happy with the direction the band was taking. But he did the same flippin' thing with CFtH. 'Eat 'Em and Smile' was a return to form for Dave, and the direction I'd have loved to have seen VH take.

Both '5150' and 'OU812' are technically brilliant albums; probably better albums than any of the Roth stuff, but they don't have the Diamond Dave Vibe(tm).
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Cail wrote: 'Eat 'Em and Smile' was a return to form for Dave, and the direction I'd have loved to have seen VH take.
I agree. Via and Sheehan together were amazing. The songs weren't bad, either. I even liked the next album, too.


I liked 5151 better than OU812 and F.U.C.K. Perhaps even more than Balance. But Balance was just such a surprise after ignoring it for a decade and expecting it to sound just like F.U.C.K.--or completely unlistenable. So maybe I cut it some slack for the low expectations. And it's like a new VH release for me.
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dlbpharmd wrote::lol: All I needed to know about VH I learned from Cail.....thanks for the hilarious low down!
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'5150' was a serious departure for VH. What saves that album was Ed's brilliant guitar work (5150, Summer Nights, Get Up), and the ferocity that Sammy brought (especially on Get Up, "You say that love has brought you down well that's bullllSHIT!"). But it's got a completely different feel than everything that's come before it. It sounds far more structured than anything they did with Dave.
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dlbpharmd wrote::lol: All I needed to know about VH I learned from Cail.....thanks for the hilarious low down!
Hilarious, and dead on.

and i can't even stand ANY incarnation of VH but i LOVED the Cail Recap of VH History!!!! classic Cail!! :thumbsup: totally hilarious! :lol:

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Post by Zarathustra »

So Cail, which is your favorite album? Care to do a ranking like we've done for the Covenant books lately?

I'd say:

1984
VH
5150
Fair Warning
Balance
Women and Children First
VH II
Diver Down
OU812
F.U.C.K
VH III

But that's not set in stone, or anything. I haven't listened to over half of those in many years. But in high school I was a VH nut. Then I discovered Rush.
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