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The Worm wasn't protecting the Tree. It's connected to it, and will wake up - and destroy the earth - if anyone messes with the Tree. The Guardian is there to prevent that by stopping anyone from getting to the Tree. But when Brinn became part of the Guardian, he trusted Covenant, and let him in.Dawngreeter wrote:What is the purpose of the Guardian if the Tree is protected by the Worm?
I don't remember anyone saying their lore was beyond Law. That would make it another wild magic. I think it was beyond Kevin's Lore.Ur Dead wrote:(Remember Vain was created with lore that the Law didn't control or bind)
I'm not so sure that that is true.Fist and Faith wrote:The Worm wasn't protecting the Tree. It's connected to it, and will wake up - and destroy the earth - if anyone messes with the Tree.Dawngreeter wrote:What is the purpose of the Guardian if the Tree is protected by the Worm?
Of course, we can't entirely trust Findail. And perhaps, also, the defense was not intentional, but a matter of proximity and coincidence. But I don't think the question is closed on this.In [u]The One Tree[/u] was wrote:She gaped back at the Appointed. There were no words in all the cavern to articulate her panic.
"Do you not comprehend?" he knelled at her. "He has encountered the Worm of the World's End! Its aura defends the One Tree! Already he has brought it nigh rousing!
"Are you blind at last?" His voice rang like a carillon in agony. "Employ your sight! You must see! For this has the Despiser wrought his ill against you! For this! The Worm defends the One Tree! Have you learned nothing?"
I could almost buy that, but then there's this (after the fighting contest),IrrationalSanity wrote:It was, in fact, the fight of succession - the extravagent expression of passion between Brinn and ak Haru - that made the Worm restive enough to "rise" in defense of the Tree. This is the reason Berek set the Guardian - not so much to guard the tree himself.
Not exactly all riled up and ready to fight. So that kinda squelches the idea that a challenged Guardian is a warning beacon to alert the Worm's defenses."It's not as bad as it looks. It isn't really dead." Her hands indicated the Isle with a jerk. "Not like all that ruin around Stonemight Woodhelven. It's powerful-too powerful for anything mortal to live here. But not dead. It's more like sleep. Not exactly. Something this"-she groped momentarily- "this eternal doesn't sleep. Resting, maybe. Resting deeply. Whatever it is, it isn't likely to notice us."
Brinn also understood that TC was hardly a seasoned white gold wielder. As Guardian, Brinn was outta his mind to allow destructive TC anywhere near this tree. Sheesh... Brinn even left the scene.Brinn understood that TC needed a new staff of Law. The first one was made from the same tree. So Brinn let Covenant access to the one tree.
Why did Vain's arm turn to wood when a Worm "star" struck it?
Wow. That's kinda profound when you think of it like that. That the SOL is a product or something of the Worm.High Lord Tolkien wrote:The "One Tree" is the Worms antler, much like a deer's.....
.....According to SRD, that was the whole hidden yet crucial point of the whole Quest!.
Dawngreeter wrote:
Are you (or SRD) saying that if Vain hadn't been touched/ transformed by the Worm then he would not have been able to be merged later as the new SOL?
I think of the "transformation" of Vain's forearm as the catalyst which makes his later changes possible. After all, how can you possibly have a Staff of Law that doesn't come from the One Tree? Vain carries the true victory of the Quest for the One Tree with him when Covenant, Linden, etc. flee the sinking Isle.
"And if that isn't enough, remember that the One Tree (and/or the Worm of the World's End) played a part in Vain's transformation."
For example, without Findail, without Linden's possession of Covenant in Bhrathairealm, and without Vain's "damage" at the Isle of the One Tree, Covenant's victory over Lord Foul, and Linden's creation of the new Staff of Law, would never have been possible.
Well, putting it as crudely as possible: the Staff has to be made out of wood, and Vain isn’t. Neither is Findail. They have to get wood from SOMEwhere. Think of it as a kind of “seed crystal” (I hope I’m using this term correctly). You have a vial of liquid that obviously isn’t doing anything; you toss in a seed crystal; and instantly the liquid is transformed into something else. “Vain’s deformation at the One Tree” is a necessary catalyst without which the eventual transformation simply could not occur.
"So think about it. What do you suppose the consequences would be if Covenant's Dead had simply *explained* everything to him? Well, let's see. Who in his right mind would visit the Elohim under those conditions? Who in his right mind would risk rousing the Worm? And why would the Elohim *ever* decide to Appoint Findail if Covenant and Linden already knew all of the answers? ("Pardon me. We don't actually need anything from you. We just want to trick you into Appointing Findail so we can go risk destroying the world for the sole purpose of bringing Vain into contact with the right kind of power.")"
Vain's transformation was absolutely necessary. Perhaps Brinn/aHKA knew this much and allowed Covenant to pass. One thing for sure is that it was Brinn's combat with aHKA that made the Worm so restless (I trust Findail on this much more than Linden.)High Lord Tolkien wrote:Dawngreeter wrote:
Are you (or SRD) saying that if Vain hadn't been touched/ transformed by the Worm then he would not have been able to be merged later as the new SOL?
That's what I read.
I can't remember the details though.
Anyone else?
So that every dumb reader who has not realised by that point could get it at last that Vain is necessary so that he can become the new Staff >:-)Why did Vain's arm turn to wood when a Worm "star" struck it?
