Could Kasreyn of the Gyre be Insequent?

[mcnpauls]

I love the introduction of the Insequent, and I love especially the fact they hate the Elohim (whom I hate, too).

I was just wondering whether Kasreyn might be one of the Insequent.

[A Gunslinger]

I doubt that any Insequent would allow themselves to be enslaved by a Croyel. Neat thought though.

[Fist and Faith]

I'd be surprised if he was. I think the Insequent are a lot tougher than the Kemper. (Hmm, can't call him "Kas" anymore, because of the Appointed Kas.)

[Atrium]

I think he was tough enough. But like someone said, improbable that an Insequent would let himself be ridden by a croyel no? Why would they need it, they have power and knowledge of their own. And they seem like basically good guys most of them. Except the Harrow, but we dont know yet why he wants the ring and the staff. And we dont know anything about the Vizard.

[mcnpauls]

Good points, everyone - now does strike me as unlikely insequent would need a croyel or be mastered by one.

I'm not even sure the Harrow is all that bad - Andelain lets him in, and he speaks quite sympathetically to Linden various times

[emotional leper]

Good points, everyone - now does strike me as unlikely insequent would need a croyel or be mastered by one.

I'm not even sure the Harrow is all that bad - Andelain lets him in, and he speaks quite sympathetically to Linden various times

I thought Andelain let anyone in who wasn't planning violence?

[Borillar]

One other reason to think he's not an Insequent is that his name isn't preceded by "the" (i.e., "The Mahdoubt", "The Vizard", "The Theomach", "the Harrow").

[native]

One other reason to think he's not an Insequent is that his name isn't preceded by "the" (i.e., "The Mahdoubt", "The Vizard", "The Theomach", "the Harrow").

Wasn't he also called the Kemper? Or was that someone else? Wasn't Kasreyn's croyel solely associated with granting him virtual immortality?

[Borillar]

Wasn't he also called the Kemper? Or was that someone else? Wasn't Kasreyn's croyel solely associated with granting him virtual immortality?

You're absolutely right that he is known as "the Kemper"; I had forgotten that. However, I seem to remember that he asked to be appointed "Kemper", as opposed to "the Kemper". Additionally, if he really were an Insequent, it seems unlikely he would have let his true name be known, given that he could have been compelled by it.

As to the croyel, I don't know that we know exactly what it provides him; it's not out of the realm of the possibility that it provided him knowledge about white gold or yellow gold or other things relating to his powers.

[dlbpharmd]

"Kemper" was a Bhraithair title, as suggested above.

Were it not for the croyel, I could easily see Kasreyn being an Insequent, but he wouldn't have needed anything to boost his life span. I think we'll have to be satisfied with Kas being some type of wizard from some other part of the world.

[Ur Dead]

I think alot of the above peeps are correct on thier statements. An Insequent would never allow themselves to be enslaved by a Croyel. They would first try to study them and understand them. The nature and the benefits and losts that entails. The Insequents drive in later life is knowledge and power to manipulate that knowledge. They are fanatic to that end, as shown by the Vizard attempt to stop the Harrow. The checks and balances of an Insequent balances them so it looks like they can not achieve total and complete power. That is why they hate the Elohim (who are by def. total power without gain)

The croyel take over they host and over time corrupt them for the croyel's aims.

There may be some obsure story where an Insequent may have joined with a croyel but it was never told.

[Starkin]

Out of curiosity tonight, I got online to look up the word "Kemper" just to see what it might mean.

Found this first:
"Quimper, the capital city of the Finistère department of Brittany in north-west France ... The name of the town comes from the Breton word "kemper", meaning "confluent". The town lies on the confluence of the Rivers Odet and Steir."

Then I looked up the word "confluent":
1. flowing or running together; blending into one: confluent rivers; confluent ideas.
2. Pathology.
a. running together: confluent efflorescences.
b. characterized by confluent efflorescences: confluent smallpox.–noun
3. one of two or more confluent streams.
4. a tributary stream.

I thought that was pretty interesting. After all, when you have a croyel on your back granting you seemingly eternal life in exchange for power you are pretty much one person. Hence, a "confluent."

If I'm on the right track with this it's just another example of SRD's brilliance with words.

[The Dreaming]

I am pretty sure he was one of the "wizards" that Jeremiah was talking about, who weren't insequent or Elohim.

[Ur Dead]

I am pretty sure he was one of the "wizards" that Jeremiah was talking about, who weren't insequent or Elohim.

That is profound. How would Jeremiah know about Kasreyn? That was 10 years or 3500 land years ago. Maybe it was the croyel who was using Jeremiah as a conduit for histories. Maybe the croyels are the ones whom the Vizard talked to.

[Atrium]

Heres another question about Kasreyn; what kind of power did he use? Earthpower? Something else? That goes for the Insequent as well.

[earthbrah]

Ur Dead wrote

That is profound. How would Jeremiah know about Kasreyn? That was 10 years or 3500 land years ago.

I wonder how many croyel there are out there. We learned of two separate ones in the 2nd Chrons. I think it's fair to assume that the one controlling the arghuleh was a different one than the one with Kasreyn. But how many of these devilish infants are out there?

It seems possible to me that Jeremiah could know about Kasreyn simply by having a croyel on his back now. It's all too possible that these beings have a similar mindmeld memory as the Haruchai have. Thus, even if the one on Jeremiah is not the same one that controlled Kasreyn, it would know of his existence and all that was done while he was under the control of the croyel. It seems like such a thing would be in keeping with their apparent power.

Dang, those little things are evil!!!

[Romeo]

Wow. That's something I never thougt of, and it seems just the thing SRD would "tie together" in such an unexpected way. Who knows what the Insequent are willing to do in order to advance their knowledge and power. My only question would be to the use of "Kasryen" - it sounds like it might be his true name, and it's unlikely he would give that out. Although the Haruchai, now that I think about it, had somehow come upon the name of Kenaustin Ardenol - but that might have been after he took over his final post (his name brought back to the Land by Berek), and that made him immune to being compelled by his true name.

VERY interesting thing to consider, though - the whole Kemper thing. Bravo!

[I'm Murrin]

It's possible that the croyel's power could prevent an Insequent from being compelled, making the name safe to reveal.

[earthbrah]

That may be possible or true, that a croyel's influence may render an Insequent's name safe to reveal, but SRD did not have the Insequent in his mind when he wrote the 2nd Chrons. However, that doesn't mean that he can't use this little tidbit in some way if he now sees a reason to...

[wayfriend]

Out of curiosity tonight, I got online to look up the word "Kemper" just to see what it might mean.

I think kemper is merely an old form of the word keeper (in the sense of "house-keeper"). Today, we still have the word unkempt, which is uncared for or neglected - i.e. unkept. (From Old English cemban.) Kempt is still around as an archaic word, meaning neat and tidy, i.e. well kept.

It is also losely related to the word comb.

Kemp is a word, too, that means a warrior or a champion. But I don't think that that is the sense here.

I think Kemper is merely a title that reflects someone in service to the monarch that takes care of the day to day, mundane chores. A realm-keeper, which is to a realm as a house-keeper is to a house. Which, of course, was Kasreyn's cover story.