Holy Crepuscular Chapter Batman!

Post by **kevinswatch** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:58 pm

Chapter 6, Part 2 of FR (Sons) was the single awesomest chapter of the Last Chronicles thus far.

Esmer VS The Harrow VS Roger and 200 Cavewrites VS the Demondim Spawn VS The Sandgorgons (?!?!?!) VS A Rambo Version of Linden Avery VS Masters VS Stave VS Some Pissed Off Ramen

Holy Shite.

Oh, and the image of Mahtiir and Bahpa charging towards 200 Cavewrites is the coolest scene ever.

Hot Damn, thank God it's finally starting to get good.

-jay

Post by **wayfriend** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:45 pm

Ah. The Battle of First Woodhelven. Donaldson called it EITKS - Everything Including the Kitchen Sink. I call it the Battle of Five Incomprehensible Armies.

The part you like is the part many people don't.

Post by **Worm of Despite** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:12 pm

I'm still waiting for these books to hit First or Second Chronicle gear. It seems LFB and TIW went to a panorama of places and this series slowly pumps out the familiar sights as if bait dangling before the reader. It took the entire first book to get to Revelstone, and only now are we at Andelain...

YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:46 pm

Since I read FR so much later than others, Duchess was already pretty much finished with her informal group read of it over on the Hangar. I would read a chapter, and then go read Duchess' thoughts on said chapter right after.

This was one chapter I was particularly glad to have her help in processing.

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Post by **High Lord Tolkien** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:47 am

I will give Malik credit for the following quote regarding that chapter for the rest of my life.
It is awesome.
Sometimes if I just think of it I start laughing.

"The only thing missing was Foul showing up with a giant sledgehammer!"

Post by **kevinswatch** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:13 am

wayfriend wrote:Ah. The Battle of First Woodhelven. Donaldson called it EITKS - Everything Including the Kitchen Sink. I call it the Battle of Five Incomprehensible Armies.

The part you like is the part many people don't.

Bah, how could anyone not love that chapter. It was friggen insane. It totally made up for having to listen to Linden for 1.5 books before this. (Well, almost...heh.)

"The only thing missing was Foul showing up with a giant sledgehammer!"

Haha! Awesome...

Seriously, though, before this chapter, I didn't realize how much I wanted to watch a battle between Esmer and the Harrow. Now I do. Very badly.

-jay

Post by **wayfriend** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:28 pm

BTW, see also: Holy. Flirking. Schmidt! [SPOILERS]

Post by **kevinswatch** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:29 pm

kevinswatch wrote:Esmer VS The Harrow VS Roger and 200 Cavewrites VS the Demondim Spawn VS The Sandgorgons (?!?!?!) VS A Rambo Version of Linden Avery VS Masters VS Stave VS Some Pissed Off Ramen

Crap! I can't believe I also forgot a Raver with an assload of cresh!

Everything Including the Kitchen Sink is right! Heh.

I wonder what was going through SRD's mind when he wrote this chapter.

SRD wrote:Hm..........I'm bored. I'm going to have a Huge Ass Fight to end all Huge Ass Fights.

Is there already a topic about this chapter? (I'm sure there is, I'm just too lazy to look.)-jay

Post by **wayfriend** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:55 pm

kevinswatch wrote:Is there already a topic about this chapter? (I'm sure there is, I'm just too lazy to look.)-jay

Actually, you're the first one to get this far into FR...

Post by **amanibhavam** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:01 pm

Forgive me, jay, but I like your "cavewrites" best

I picture sixty-nine sweating little Drools sitting in Kiril Threndor trying to come-up with some war-slogans for Foul that they can put on paper

Post by **kevinswatch** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:17 pm

Bah!

Way to treat the new guy in the FR Forum!

-jay

Post by **sweetbread** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:19 pm

The chapter was entitled "Sons." What does that imply? Obviously, there is Roger (Thomas' son), Esmer (Cail's son), but what else? Jeremiah was missing, the most blatant "son" throughout the series thus far. Linden has spent two books obsessing about "My son this" and "My son that" yet he was absent from this chapter entirely. He was by Roger's side ever since they entered the Land, yet, when it comes to this chapter, he's not there. Does that strike anyone else as peculiar? Maybe it's Donaldson's way of saying something: That Jeremiah is not a "son" of Linden. We all know that, really, but maybe it's SRD's way of saying that there is no real connection between him and Linden.

One of the most obvious implications of the chapter title and the story is Stave. I'm not sure if it's in this chapter or before, but through the course of Stave's stories, we learn that he has three sons, yet, since we were not given their identities, we can only assume that he left them long ago in Guard's Gap. It is also in this chapter where we have the decree that the Humbled will join Linden's group in order to keep her actions in line with the intentions of the Masters. Before this, when the Humbled were fighting Stave, they relished the chance to contest him; they showed visible emotion at the chance to best him in physical combat. Why is that? It's because, the Humbled are Stave's three sons. I think that will be revealed later in the story when one of the Humbled ends up dying.

Post by **High Lord Tolkien** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:24 pm

The Sandgorgon's were all Nom's sons too.

I don't know....maybe.

Post by **wayfriend** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:54 pm

I look forward to dissecting this chapter!

sweetbread wrote:Maybe it's Donaldson's way of saying something: That Jeremiah is not a "son" of Linden.

I can't believe that!

I think Jeremiah is back in the batcave because Foul wants Linden to try to rescue him, that's all. He wouldn't risk sending him out now that Linden might try rescue him. (Something he didn't have to worry about before.)

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:00 pm

Stave's stories, we learn that he has three sons,

the text didn't say that Stave had "three" sons, did it? If so I missed that.

Post by **Seareach** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:04 pm

dlbpharmd wrote:
Stave's stories, we learn that he has three sons,
the text didn't say that Stave had "three" sons, did it? If so I missed that.

As far as I recollect he said he had "sons" but there was no number given.

Post by **Ur Dead** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:24 am

Of course he has sons!! Who do you think he is?? A Bloodguard?

He's Stave of the firey loins!!

(as oppose to the fire lions)

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:39 am

Seareach wrote:
dlbpharmd wrote:
Stave's stories, we learn that he has three sons,
the text didn't say that Stave had "three" sons, did it? If so I missed that.

As far as I recollect he said he had "sons" but there was no number given.

Yup, that's what I remember also.

Post by **wayfriend** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:47 pm

Seareach wrote:As far as I recollect he said he had "sons" but there was no number given.

Correct!

In [u]Fatal Revenant[/u] was wrote:To her surprise, Stave responded with a deep Haruchai bow. "Chosen," he replied, unexpectedly formal. "thus would I speak of my own sons, though they remain among the Masters, and with the Masters have spurned me."

Linden stared at him in chagrin. His sons - ?

Ur Dead wrote:He's Stave of the firey loins!!

The Master of Love!

Post by **sweetbread** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:20 pm

Hmmmm I could have sworn he said that he had three....

Well, it was pluralized, and he said they're with the Masters, so that's my story and I'm sticking to it....

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